brianallan, the more I look at it the more they kinda stick out but that maybe because you have me thinking about it. I still think I may go with a Java anyway because all the frames I have been looking at in the same price cat. have just as nasty looking welds and even worse looking stickers (leader/fetish), at least with Java I can pick what I want the graphics to be. Welds don't matter much to me anyway because I should be riding fast enough that you can't see them
plus this will hopefully turn out to be a crit. bike so looks arn't everything.
PS: Are you building (or did you build) the frame in the pic you posted?