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Climbing to Victory

Old 03-26-15, 05:12 PM
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Climbing to Victory

My overall goal is to become a sick climber, that being said I raced a crit with a short power climb and eventually got lapped and pulled. My main focus is climbing, but many of the races that are close are crits. I do live in the Denver area with some road races aswell. Mainly focusing on climbing will this help or hinder my racing of crits?
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Old 03-26-15, 05:22 PM
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Yes and no.

To be a climber you have to be crazy light which is going to affect your short end (under 1m) power. There's a equilibrium to be decent at both but if you are min maxing for pure climbing, yeah.

At the lower categories, I don't think these things matter much. Guys that win hilly road races tend to do well in crits as well.
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Was the short power climb the main factor in you getting lapped and pulled? Here in flatland, it wouldn't help to focus on climbing for crits.
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Old 03-26-15, 06:33 PM
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Yes and no. It was cat 5 and the first turn was right before the hill and someone smashed on their brakes and caused everyone to slow down drastically and a couple guys rode off the front. But I couldn't manage to bridge the gap after a few laps around. But overall climbing is what I want to do. I still need to lose a few more lbs.
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Originally Posted by briandelmo View Post
My overall goal is to become a sick climber, that being said I raced a crit with a short power climb and eventually got lapped and pulled. My main focus is climbing, but many of the races that are close are crits. I do live in the Denver area with some road races aswell. Mainly focusing on climbing will this help or hinder my racing of crits?
That's pretty easy to do, actually. Lose more weight than you ought to, and pretty soon you'll be physically ill while having the physique of a climber. Actual climbing performance not guaranteed

in all seriousness, you are either born a climber (with the right genetics) or you arent. Even those who win cat 4 and 5 climbing races are not necessarily true climbers. Unless we talking about an uphill TT, climbing is so often overrated

As an aside, i climb better than at least 75% of cat-3s, but all my cat-2 upgrade points have so far been solely from breakaway in crits. You need to learn to be a more complete bike racer first
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Old 03-26-15, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by furiousferret View Post
Yes and no.

To be a climber you have to be crazy light which is going to affect your short end (under 1m) power. There's a equilibrium to be decent at both but if you are min maxing for pure climbing, yeah.

At the lower categories, I don't think these things matter much. Guys that win hilly road races tend to do well in crits as well.
Indurain was around 175 when he was just behind Lemond at 150s. Then he may have had some help.
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Old 03-26-15, 07:35 PM
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I thought I was a climber, then I started racing.

dont go into it deco mixing what your specialty is - it will become self-evident with time.
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Old 03-26-15, 07:38 PM
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My specialty is actually TTing. Coming from a triathlon background. I just really like climbing. I'm about 5'11" 158lbs.
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I thought I was a TT'er until I started racing.
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Do a bunch of different kinds of races, or at least a bunch of different types of efforts (like breaks, try to attack at the top of longer climbs, field sprints, 1k to go attacks, etc) and see where you seem to have potential.

When I started racing I was really light, like 90 lbs or so (15 years old). When I was 17 I was 103 lbs, 21 years old, 112 lbs. So light, skinny. I always thought I'd be a climber and my racing buddy in high school even called me "Van Impe" (one of the last true climbers to win the Tour). The reality is that when I started racing I simply wasn't fast enough overall. The fact that I could go up hills better than other non-racers was a red herring.

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By the time I was about 20 I figured out that I wasn't really good at climbing at all and that I was a much better sprinter than I realized. Nowadays it's easier to quantify - I have a relatively low FTP but a pretty good 20 second punch. Back then it was a combination of "I got shelled on climbs" and "I sometimes sat up in sprints because I thought no one else was sprinting so I figured it couldn't be the last lap (but it was)".
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I stopped climbing and started training on speed/flats/crits this year. Elevation ridden/mile is way down.

Climbing has never been better.

Anyway, I feel like there's a lot in cycling where you are what you are. Unless you have more will than I do. Maybe be 5'11" and 130lbs.
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Old 03-27-15, 12:22 AM
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OP, you sound a good bit like me. I was very close to 60kg at racing weight running before my injury a two years ago. 20' best is 320W, so if I got back to that I'd be near 5.5 w/kg for 20'. Should climb well on that...if I get back there. Currently around 68kg.

Dunno quite what qualifies someone as a climber though, but my plan is pretty much to just start racing to gain experience and actually see what I perform well at in races; while still keeping a focus on Sunshine, Guanella, Evans, and especially Pikes Peak.

I'll probably be racing you this season if you're a 5 and coming out to any of those.
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You might also put Horgan and Salida on your list(s). And the Superior Morgul RR and TT. The Superior Morgul TT is a good race for someone who can climb and also TT.
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The Superior Morgul TT is a good race for someone who can climb and also TT.
Which makes this a fine weekend for honey-do's.
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I hope I can get to some of those. Working at a bike shop and taking weekends off doesn't work out well. I need a new job that doesn't make a big deal about racing.
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Originally Posted by valygrl View Post
You might also put Horgan and Salida on your list(s). And the Superior Morgul RR and TT. The Superior Morgul TT is a good race for someone who can climb and also TT.
I'll keep those in mind, thanks for the suggestion!
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I hope I can get to some of those. Working at a bike shop and taking weekends off doesn't work out well. I need a new job that doesn't make a big deal about racing.
Ironic, right? Bike shops need their people on evenings and weekends which is exactly when the races happen.
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You might also put Horgan and Salida on your list(s). And the Superior Morgul RR and TT. The Superior Morgul TT is a good race for someone who can climb and also TT.
I'm sort of looking forward to the Morgul TT. That last little hill looks perfect to eat a plate of crap on. Rolling full gas through the two corners also looks to be part of the fun.
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Ironic, right? Bike shops need their people on evenings and weekends which is exactly when the races happen.
I know right. Getting days off even during the week is like pulling teeth. I have aquired a lot of free schwag but it doesnt out weigh the bull**** I deal with on a daily basis. Also working 40+ hours a week sucks the life out of my training. I figured with shorter crit races I could afford to miss those big training days but boy was I wrong.
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