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Old 02-12-16, 10:43 PM
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I've always made a point to train on the hottest days of the year (not dangerous hot, like it may be in some areas, but 104F kind of temps), with the assumption that it would help me in races on super hot days. And I've assumed that it is just a short term acclimatization, as in 'this will help in the crit an two weeks if it is a hot day'. But I've never thought about general training benefits to being overdressed.
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Originally Posted by wens
Speaking only for myself, I don't think it matters at all if heat training improves performance, I wouldn't get on the damn trainer half the time, which I'm pretty sure outweighs any potential benefit. Kind of like what's the best diet? The one you'll actually maintain type deal.
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Originally Posted by cmh
I've always made a point to train on the hottest days of the year (not dangerous hot, like it may be in some areas, but 104F kind of temps), with the assumption that it would help me in races on super hot days. And I've assumed that it is just a short term acclimatization, as in 'this will help in the crit an two weeks if it is a hot day'. But I've never thought about general training benefits to being overdressed.
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I don't think I've ever seen anything more eighties. And nope, I don't need to make indoor training mentally harder than it already is.
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Old 02-13-16, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
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OK the 104F temp was a record out here, and I did do the hard lunch ride I had scheduled for that day. I have done many rides when it is 98-100 out. Outside of course, not trainer.
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Heat messes me up. Doing FTP/vo2 when it's below 30 out is basically impossible for me because the amount of clothing it takes to not freeze to death also traps all the heat you generate when you go that hard for longer than a few minutes. I get all light headed and pukey and the legs get wonky. It's even worse indoors even with a box fan and the window open. I can't imagine wearing more than bibs while on a trainer, I'd get diaper rash and fall off my bike.

Then I'd wind up in the hospital after hitting my head falling off the trainer and the doctors would be all like bro, you're 30, why you got diaper rash like a little baby? Hey everybody, look at the little baby man with his stupid diaper rash! Then they'd call my emergency contact and tell em about the man child that wears diapers and I'd get dumped and all of my friends would know and the entire town would look at me whenever I was out and about and point and laugh. "There goes the man that does not wipe. Do not talk to this man." they would tell their children. And I'd never live it down and would have to move away to coal country and change my name and try and grow facial hair, which is basically impossible for me to do so I'd have to use mascara all over my face to make the scruff look legit but that gets expensive really quick so I'd probably have to start stealing and would eventually wind up in jail.

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the temperature is warming up past the low 20s, though the wind is still howling. I wonder if it is at all wise to go do my workout outside. FWIW, i have a lot of Windstopper gear, which should help. That the sun is out should also help, i think.

If i don't report back by 7pm, i guess i will have perished from hypothermia...
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Originally Posted by cmh
OK the 104F temp was a record out here, and I did do the hard lunch ride I had scheduled for that day. I have done many rides when it is 98-100 out. Outside of course, not trainer.
104 is dangerously hot.

As to preparing for hot days, I simply stay home.
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Is that supposed to mean that you won't race when it's hot out?

I once won a cat 4 race (Ontario crit series - SoCal) when it was 95+ out. If I got anything less than a podium, I would have probably regretted it.
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If it's a 100 I'm staying home. Hell if it's 95 in probably staying home. We don't have a lot of races where it's above the mid 90s
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In addition to the studies, Bicycling did a short article on my coach's heat training plan last year. They also consulted a researcher in the field. It's a quick read, worth checking out for anyone who's curious: Heat Acclimatization | Bicycling.
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I distinctly remember racing either the Portland Short Track MTB or Portland International Raceway circuit race weeknight series races above 100 degrees, several times.

With the short track races, they turned the sprinkler system on in a couple of places. Definitely helped, as the average speed was low enough that you weren't getting a whole lot of cooling from the air moving over your skin.
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2.5 hours on the rollers. 4*10', 7*30" seated bursts (trying to visualize leading out a race, lol), 40' tempo. that was hard.and no i didn't wear a base layer and ride with no fan.
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Originally Posted by Duke of Kent
I distinctly remember racing either the Portland Short Track MTB or Portland International Raceway circuit race weeknight series races above 100 degrees, several times.

With the short track races, they turned the sprinkler system on in a couple of places. Definitely helped, as the average speed was low enough that you weren't getting a whole lot of cooling from the air moving over your skin.
I definitely race PIR a couple times a year in the high 90s. The nice thing is that on hot days like that, there is always a 15mph+ wind. Makes for a hard race.
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It's a dry heat here but some of our spring crits are well over 100 for the afternoon races. I am used to it and will take it over cold any day. Drinking water is pretty much a full time job May-September here!
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I drove to Chicago a couple years for a couple days of racing. It was 100 degrees when I got to there. At 9am. My race was at 12.

It was very, very dumb.
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104F is just July around here. Fortunately, it's a, wait for it wait for it, dry heat.
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Originally Posted by echappist
the temperature is warming up past the low 20s, though the wind is still howling. I wonder if it is at all wise to go do my workout outside. FWIW, i have a lot of Windstopper gear, which should help. That the sun is out should also help, i think.

If i don't report back by 7pm, i guess i will have perished from hypothermia...
looks like my coach got some common sense into me, and i finished my workout on my roller. apparently some actually rode around Hain's Point today...
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Originally Posted by grolby
In addition to the studies, Bicycling did a short article on my coach's heat training plan last year. They also consulted a researcher in the field. It's a quick read, worth checking out for anyone who's curious: Heat Acclimatization | Bicycling.
Interesting read - thanks for posting grolby.
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Did 2:20 yesterday, first 2hrs ramping up from z2 to sweet spot and then spun legs out for 20min. Same thing today. Should put me at 22hrs / ~1070tss for the week.
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2 hours today, 2x15 30/30 vo2 followed by 25 minutes tempo/sst

9 hours and 500 tss for the week
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sat: 2h 4x10 LT with cadence stuff at the beginning and end
sun: 3h z2 with 3x30 tempo big gear

hopefully the last trainer weekend of the winter but won't hold my breath..
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Originally Posted by mike868y
2.5 hours on the rollers. 4*10', 7*30" seated bursts (trying to visualize leading out a race, lol), 40' tempo. that was hard.and no i didn't wear a base layer and ride with no fan.
Your program is a mystery to me.

Two and a bit hours on the trainer yesterday with 3x30' Z3. 3:45 Z2 today. Leg status: medium well.
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another 2.5 hours today. did some low cadence/high force efforts in the first hour which are not really reflected by HR but are really painful.

a little up in the air about tomorrow. debating between starting my rest week or taking advantage of my day off to get a workout in.

Originally Posted by grolby
Your program is a mystery to me.
explain? I don't really do anything terribly out of the ordinary. with the exception that i'm actually regularly doing intervals for the first time in a long time.
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It's the particular mix of intervals especially at this time of year. I'm not a coach or anything, it just seems a little all over the map to me. 4x10s (why?) and 30" intervals in the same ride, for example. Even leaving aside the thing where it's February, after all racing starts in only a month, that combination seems odd.
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