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Old 08-24-15, 08:42 AM
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lol, I hopped on the scale and was ~2lbs underweight for the time of day and was well hydrated, so I kind of let slip the dogs of war, or if you prefer the tropes of rom coms. If I had a dining room table I probably would've danced around it drinking red wine.
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A 15 hour week leaves me pretty knackered. If I did 20, I'd probably fall asleep at dinner every night.
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Like anything else you get used to the rhythm of it. How much sense it makes to ride 20hrs/wk is a whole different can of worms, but I did a lot of them over the winter and I've done a few while in season without a weekend race to taper for. My fitness is quite high, but my life is basically arranged around training because I like doing it. If I was balancing a full time job with it I imagine I'd fall apart pretty quickly.
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Ive been doing 10-12 hours the last couple weeks with 3-4 hours on Saturday and/or sunday, which is a pretty big jump for me..no weekend races so more time to ride. Plus I just like riding.



Tsb is something like -31 today, day off as planned, but right now at work my legs feel surprisingly ok. Im sure if I got on the bike it would be different...or maybe my legs are getting used to more volume.

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Old 08-24-15, 11:02 AM
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Saturday was a big day for me: 348tss which put my TSB at -50.6, the lowest I've ever seen. Sunday was off the bike completely but still -32 this morning. And yet, I'm feeling a lot fresher than I would have expected for a big negative.
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VT Overland was a rough, rough day. TSS estimated at 260 (HR only on my cross bike, TSS is from correlation with TRIMP). I started out feeling tired, and yeah I was overgeared, but I'm getting fed up with this weakness I have of really fading badly past an hour or so. During that first hour, I'm pretty good and able to ride fast. After that, I crack and % of FTP I can maintain drops dramatically. I assume that the remedy for this problem is to really up my base training over the winter, and that's the plan, but I'm a little paranoid that this is just some fundamental weakness I have that I can't fix.
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Old 08-24-15, 11:37 AM
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I've never done a 20 hour week but I know that the few times I've been able to string together some 14-15 hour weeks, I sure see the benefits from it. I'm struggling to get 12 hours in with work, kids, life stuffs. I don't know how people manage big weeks like that without leaving work and family behind! It would be like having a second job.
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Old 08-24-15, 12:05 PM
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The question always comes down to what you're doing with the training hours, and what sort of races you're doing. I think last winter I was regularly doing comparable TSS to others on significantly less hours.
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I rode my bike across the country one summer in college. So that would be.... ~70 hrs/week of training for 12 weeks straight. Did my first cat 5 race the week I got back to Houston and got dropped on the last lap.
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@grolby I credit alot of my ability to survive really long hard races on the volume I put in (~20 hour weeks). In my experience my FTP has not changed much with the number of hours but my ability to do well in longer races does. I would guess it would be the same for you, you may never be an FTP guy, but you can definitely extend your ability to put out FTP later in a race.

Hit me up when we get to base season.
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rest today, threshold tomorrow. I did 2x20 @ 250 last week, might aim for 255 this week and see how I do with that. in ten weeks I'll be at 300! (i kid, of course)
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My ctl is down significantly over past years. Too many crits. I had OK power at the end of the RR Saturday, but it was only 70 miles and I was pretty depressingly fatigues for that point in a race.
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Old 08-24-15, 12:42 PM
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Since I'm tagging on rides at the end of my commute, things are more efficient so from a time management perspective, its much better. When I commute via car there are days I get home and spend an hour doing nothing until I get ready to train. I'll probably do this for maybe one or two more training cycles because its too dangerous to ride after work in the dark. Right now its just an experiment.

The one thing that flusters me is that my commuter has no power meter, and I haven't found a great way in cycling analytics to integrate hrm and power data to add up my zones. I'm trying to figure out how to write a chart for it. My power data says I spent 12 hours in Zone 1 but they just toss all non power rides into z1, which is a third of my riding. By HRM its only 6 hours. I suppose it all counts but z3+ counts a lot more (at least in my experience).
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FWIW, Training Peaks calculates heart rate TSS (hrTSS). Pretty sure they offer a free version.
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Originally Posted by furiousferret View Post
Since I'm tagging on rides at the end of my commute, things are more efficient so from a time management perspective, its much better. When I commute via car there are days I get home and spend an hour doing nothing until I get ready to train. I'll probably do this for maybe one or two more training cycles because its too dangerous to ride after work in the dark. Right now its just an experiment.

The one thing that flusters me is that my commuter has no power meter, and I haven't found a great way in cycling analytics to integrate hrm and power data to add up my zones. I'm trying to figure out how to write a chart for it. My power data says I spent 12 hours in Zone 1 but they just toss all non power rides into z1, which is a third of my riding. By HRM its only 6 hours. I suppose it all counts but z3+ counts a lot more (at least in my experience).
I actually started commuting just so I would have my bike with me at the end of the day. Otherwise, I'd ride the bus home, flop on the couch, turn on the TV, and it was way too easy to blow off a scheduled session. Now I've flipped it where I meet my training partner before work and I ride from our workout to the office. But I'm lucky to have 1) a shower and 2) a secure bike box where I can lock up my race bike without worrying about it all day.
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Originally Posted by rideaz View Post
I've never done a 20 hour week but I know that the few times I've been able to string together some 14-15 hour weeks, I sure see the benefits from it. I'm struggling to get 12 hours in with work, kids, life stuffs. I don't know how people manage big weeks like that without leaving work and family behind! It would be like having a second job.
Yeah, for real, that's the struggle. The time is there, but making it requires me to do things that don't come easily to me, like gong to sleep and rising early. Even stepping up to consistent 12-14 hour weeks would be a big step up for me.

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The question always comes down to what you're doing with the training hours, and what sort of races you're doing. I think last winter I was regularly doing comparable TSS to others on significantly less hours.
It's a matter of the sorts of races I aspire to. I still hold out some hope for road races. Partly because mass is really working against me in crits. Not a big deal in cat 3, admittedly, but I have ambitions beyond that.

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@grolby I credit alot of my ability to survive really long hard races on the volume I put in (~20 hour weeks). In my experience my FTP has not changed much with the number of hours but my ability to do well in longer races does. I would guess it would be the same for you, you may never be an FTP guy, but you can definitely extend your ability to put out FTP later in a race.

Hit me up when we get to base season.
Yeah, I do know that I can be MORE of an FTP guy than I am, but improving my ability to continue producing power deep in a race will be at least as helpful. For example, Hilltowns - I was maybe 10-20 watts shy of the leaders at the top of the big climb. I still have ample headroom to get that. But the bigger problem was when we made the catch and I was already cracked.

I definitely will hit you up in base - the coach is sending me on long Z2 rides and putting me in the hotbox. You know what I'm talkin about. Good times.
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Originally Posted by furiousferret View Post
Since I'm tagging on rides at the end of my commute, things are more efficient so from a time management perspective, its much better. When I commute via car there are days I get home and spend an hour doing nothing until I get ready to train. I'll probably do this for maybe one or two more training cycles because its too dangerous to ride after work in the dark. Right now its just an experiment.

The one thing that flusters me is that my commuter has no power meter, and I haven't found a great way in cycling analytics to integrate hrm and power data to add up my zones. I'm trying to figure out how to write a chart for it. My power data says I spent 12 hours in Zone 1 but they just toss all non power rides into z1, which is a third of my riding. By HRM its only 6 hours. I suppose it all counts but z3+ counts a lot more (at least in my experience).

Huh? ÇA will estimate a TSS based on TRIMP, based on correlating TRIMP and TSS from riding with both HRM and power meter. If you don't wear the HRM when you have the power meter, that would be your problem.
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Huh? ÇA will estimate a TSS based on TRIMP, based on correlating TRIMP and TSS from riding with both HRM and power meter. If you don't wear the HRM when you have the power meter, that would be your problem.
CTL and TSS aren't the issue, its the data in the power zones that's not entirely accurate anymore, since 1/3 of my time defaults to z1 (since I have no meter then). I could go all HRM, but power is better, and it would be nice if there was a setting where it goes off power unless not present, then uses HRM.

As you can see, I haven't kept up on HRM data til recently;
https://www.cyclinganalytics.com/user/6273941/zones
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I definitely will hit you up in base - the coach is sending me on long Z2 rides and putting me in the hotbox. You know what I'm talkin about. Good times.
hit me up for these base adventures. hanging onto @dz_nuzz's wheel for hours at a time while it's 20F out sure sounds like fun to me
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1 hr on Zwift.

2x20 tonight; 203W & 175W. Pretty tough for me. Highest avg power ride so far @ 160W.
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mostly easy, a few good sprints. 1203w peak, best i've seen in a few months.
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Couple of 10 min threshold intervals. Followed that up by meeting up with a couple teammates to steal another teammates strava KOMs while he's in Argentina for the world transplant games. We're hopeful the slew of strava emails give him a lil kick of motivation to bring the gold home for the USA.
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decided to take a second recovery day. i think i went into VOGP a little tired and was absolutely ruined yesterday, to the point where I almost felt like I was getting sick. it's too close to GMSR to be risk it.
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decided to take a second recovery day. i think i went into VOGP a little tired and was absolutely ruined yesterday, to the point where I almost felt like I was getting sick. it's too close to GMSR to be risk it.
Good call. It's not like additional training would really make you faster at this point. I'm a little tired, too, but screw it it's not like I have a big target race this weekend. Gonna dig into this training block a little. I want to be fast in a month.
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