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Old 03-30-16, 09:01 AM
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Old 03-30-16, 09:29 AM
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Awwww yiss I have the green light for a group ride this week!
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Rollin' down to Fiesta for a set of 2x30' Z4, will aim for around 270w. This will likely be the last time that I do these sorts of longer z4 intervals for a while.
Hit them at 273 and 279w. Nice.
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Originally Posted by globecanvas
I didn't even bother trying to explain all of this internet diagnosis to the PT. He was totally confident it was overuse injury compounded by an irresponsible neglect of getting PT/massage work done every week.

He's a good sports PT (sort of a local legend around here) and maybe he's right but I think the preponderance of evidence is with the equine rhabdo-like diagnosis. It doesn't make any sense to me that overuse injury would manifest after a period of inactivity in all of these cases, and there is a high signal-to-noise ratio in the consistency of the context and symptoms in the cyclingnews and danish cycling threads.

Plus I just prefer the other diagnosis because the cure is just to take in fewer carbs and take fewer rest days.

The PT told me to take a few more days off the bike and come back slowly over 4-6 weeks. Instead I am going to try some Z5 work today. If there's a problem I think it will become clear very quickly. We'll see how it goes.

Fail. I didn't make it 5 minutes from my house. I had to walk home.

I think I'm writing off the next few weeks, at least. Very, very disappointing.
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Originally Posted by globecanvas
Fail. I didn't make it 5 minutes from my house. I had to walk home.

I think I'm writing off the next few weeks, at least. Very, very disappointing.
That really sucks man, sorry to hear it.

I can't wrap my head around the PT's suggestion of overuse without PT/massage. That just sounds like he's telling you to pay him more money, regularly. And there must be thousands of people involved in all sorts of sports that train just as hard without getting weekly massages or PT. I mean, c'mon, I think that's just a ridiculous diagnosis/suggestion.
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Originally Posted by rankin116
That really sucks man, sorry to hear it.

I can't wrap my head around the PT's suggestion of overuse without PT/massage. That just sounds like he's telling you to pay him more money, regularly. And there must be thousands of people involved in all sorts of sports that train just as hard without getting weekly massages or PT. I mean, c'mon, I think that's just a ridiculous diagnosis/suggestion.
Are you saying you train without weekly massages?
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Are you saying you train without weekly massages?

Pssssh, I have my personal soigneur give me a massage every night, and make my meals for the day. It's good to be rich.
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Old 03-30-16, 11:20 AM
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bummer GC, I hope your situation gets straightened out soon. Having to take time off the bike for health reasons sucks.
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Originally Posted by globecanvas
Fail. I didn't make it 5 minutes from my house. I had to walk home.

I think I'm writing off the next few weeks, at least. Very, very disappointing.
Balls.
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Old 03-30-16, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by grolby
Well he is on inside ride rollers, so it's a little different.
yeah the inside ride rollers are really great, can't recommend them enough. best money i've ever spent on a training aid.

and fwiw I wasn't actually watching the watts while riding. since i haven't done a test and had nothing to go off I paced by hr and just reviewed the watts later.

sorry to hear gc, heal up.

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Originally Posted by globecanvas
Fail. I didn't make it 5 minutes from my house. I had to walk home.

I think I'm writing off the next few weeks, at least. Very, very disappointing.
I'm sorry to hear. I was looking forward to seeing your saturday. I hope it turns quick for you.
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Old 03-30-16, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by rankin116
I can't wrap my head around the PT's suggestion of overuse without PT/massage. That just sounds like he's telling you to pay him more money, regularly. And there must be thousands of people involved in all sorts of sports that train just as hard without getting weekly massages or PT. I mean, c'mon, I think that's just a ridiculous diagnosis/suggestion.
I was exaggerating a bit, but yeah, his diagnosis was basically see me 3x per week for 4-6 weeks and twice a month for the rest of your life. The guy's not a quack, he's just sort of full of himself.

It's hard to describe the level of pain. It's a genuine 10 out of 10. I can see why some of the sufferers have gone to the ER for fear of compartment syndrome. When I got home I was afraid that bending my leg would rip the quad in half. I can move around now but my legs feel sore and bruised, like they were beaten with a pipe.

There is no way this is an overuse injury that just floated down out of the blue after a rest week. And the pain was in different muscles today than it was the other day.
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Maybe time to see an MD?
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Originally Posted by globecanvas
Fail. I didn't make it 5 minutes from my house. I had to walk home.

I think I'm writing off the next few weeks, at least. Very, very disappointing.
Sorry to hear it. Also sorry your PT didn't have any answers, but not really surprised. It's hard to get people to understand this isn't just normal fatigue-induced cramping.

I suspect you'll be able to come back sooner than several weeks, though. What I've found to be key is to gradually ease into it doing what you can. For the first few days when it's just not possible to pedal without severe pain, try some easy walking.

Once the legs start to feel a little better, try getting back on the trainer. Just pedal really easy at a low cadence; if the pain starts, back off or even stop pedaling until it subsides, then start again. If you get really bad pain and can't resume pedaling, call it quits and try again later. Gradually you'll be able to pedal a little longer and a little harder before getting the cramps, and then you'll eventually break through and be able to hit low Z2 without cramping. Legs are likely to still be sore/tight at this point, so keep the intensity down around Z1/Z2 boundary for the first few real workouts. Once the legs feel 'fresh' you can get back to higher intensity stuff and should be OK.

I did two sessions on the trainer yesterday. First one I couldn't get above 50-60W, and had to stop several times because it was getting painful (but not the full-on cramping like late last week). The second time on the trainer started the same, but by the end I was able to work my way up to 200W. It felt much harder than it should but I didn't get any of the cramping. I expect I should be able to go out and do a real ride this afternoon (if it doesn't rain; looks like there's a good chance I'll be stuck on the trainer again).
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Originally Posted by Enthalpic
You are a horse?
Ha-ha, well my wife sometimes calls me 'stud', does that count?

I was just referring to the cause/symptoms as described on the page.


Cycling only provides concentric training, walking downhill/stairs is unaccustomed eccentric exercise.
True, but I get some eccentric work in the gym which should help balance things out. Walking downhill has never triggered it for me, but other movements that require a knee bend can. When the cramping/pain is in full swing, any bend of the knee is extremely painful, only releif is to lay down or sit in recliner with legs elevated and straight.
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yeah the inside ride rollers are really great, can't recommend them enough. best money i've ever spent on a training aid.
Those look great, but they cost more than my bicycle.
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Originally Posted by globecanvas
Fail. I didn't make it 5 minutes from my house. I had to walk home.

I think I'm writing off the next few weeks, at least. Very, very disappointing.
Sad to hear this GC. Your health comes first. Get this sorted. You have tons of base and will come back quickly when you are healthy.
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Training status = Fred

Getting old sucks.
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Training status = Fred

Getting old sucks.
****ing ditto!
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Now I remember why I dont like to take two days off in a row. Tried doing some tempo and my legs were just feeling awful. Hopefully they will come around tomorrow and I get a good workout in
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Supposed to rain tomorrow so swapped a group ride for today. Hard and steady paceline ride. I flatted 1/2 mile after roll out. Bike is also making funny noises, so I was pissed. Decided to hammer and just do a hard ride, ended up running into the group on a loop they do. Jumped on and rotated through for a while before getting dropped.

Today = fail
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6x2' hill climb intervals. Max power 20W down from doing these last week; I was just coming off a rest week then, hopefully it's not a big deal. Consistency was better though, except for being a wimp on the last one and totally punking out in the first half, ended up 20 watts down on my next worst. I guess they could be better paced, but I think it might be better for 2' intervals to be relatively unpaced. Besides, it's not like I'm sprinting to start. And the steepest part of the hill is also the first half of the interval. So. Shrug.
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