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Old 06-30-16, 06:26 AM
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Zwift tempo ride this morning. 2 hrs, 11 min, 1:40 at tempo. 138 TSS and a huge puddle of sweat under the Kickr.
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Two Crits yesterday 4/5 & 3/4, that's a total of 75 minutes of intervals. Looking at my average cadence 105 & max 135, i feel that i have fresh legs at the end and need to start being aggressive and attack!
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Average cadence 105?!?
Mine is usually around 90, but was surprised to see closer to 80 for Saturdays crits.
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3hrs, z1/2. More work than rest, more rest than hard.
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Taking a rest week. Digging it.

Originally Posted by aaronmcd
Average cadence 105?!?
Mine is usually around 90, but was surprised to see closer to 80 for Saturdays crits.
I pretty typically average around 105 RPM in crits, sometimes a little less, often a little more (in my most recent crit: 101. Crit the day before: 108). So that doesn't look strange to me. I tend to be about 10 RPM lower in road races. In the 80's seems shockingly low to me.
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1:50 total with a 2x30' in the middle and some form sprints. HR and RPE, no power. Training peaks gave me a total TSShr of 121, which feels about right.
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Are some of you averaging your zeros for cadence and others not? 80 seems awfully low for pedaling, I'm guessing that includes your coasting.

I usually include 0s for power but not cadence. Power makes sense to include 0, cadence doesn't really.
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Originally Posted by Flatballer
Are some of you averaging your zeros for cadence and others not? 80 seems awfully low for pedaling, I'm guessing that includes your coasting.

I usually include 0s for power but not cadence. Power makes sense to include 0, cadence doesn't really.
I don't include zeros for cadence, but when riding in a group avg cadence will often be lower than a solo ride due to soft-pedaling in the pace line.
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Originally Posted by Flatballer
Are some of you averaging your zeros for cadence and others not? 80 seems awfully low for pedaling, I'm guessing that includes your coasting.

I usually include 0s for power but not cadence. Power makes sense to include 0, cadence doesn't really.
I think it should be included, but what shouldn't be included is the 0's from stopped-time.

TrainingPeaks on my phone seems to report avg cadence that's super low, my guess is that it includes stopped time.

Maybe it's my fault for not having auto-pause turn on for my Garmin..
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Originally Posted by mattm
I think it should be included, but what shouldn't be included is the 0's from stopped-time.

TrainingPeaks on my phone seems to report avg cadence that's super low, my guess is that it includes stopped time.

Maybe it's my fault for not having auto-pause turn on for my Garmin..
Yeah, but with autopause you'll get artificially high AP and NP numbers, right?

I remember reading a discussion on here about this, turned off autopause because of it, but now I can't remember what the arguments were or why I agreed with one over the other.
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Originally Posted by aaronmcd
Average cadence 105?!?
Mine is usually around 90, but was surprised to see closer to 80 for Saturdays crits.
Yes for both races. Last week av cadence was 110 week before 106 with max 145, flat course. Don't know if it's good or not
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speaking of cadence...i've been pacing my intervals this week by power as opposed to hr (i've had a PM for a while but since I paced by HR all winter i just felt more comfortable with it) and it's been really interesting to watch the relationship between power, cadence, and PE.
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Originally Posted by Flatballer
Are some of you averaging your zeros for cadence and others not? 80 seems awfully low for pedaling, I'm guessing that includes your coasting.

I usually include 0s for power but not cadence. Power makes sense to include 0, cadence doesn't really.
With coasting I'm usually around 80rpm on basically any ride I do. Without I'm anywhere between 90 and 100 depending on the terrain.
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Originally Posted by rankin116
Yeah, but with autopause you'll get artificially high AP and NP numbers, right?

I remember reading a discussion on here about this, turned off autopause because of it, but now I can't remember what the arguments were or why I agreed with one over the other.
I don't think AP/NP would be that much higher; when I switched from using auto-pause to not using it I don't remember seeing big changes in those numbers.
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Group ride this morning. Getting back into it after a month long vacation...the struggle is very real!
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Originally Posted by Flatballer
I usually include 0s for power but not cadence. Power makes sense to include 0, cadence doesn't really.
How do you do that?
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I dunno. I think on the power tap there are separate 0 settings for power, cadence, and speed, whether to include them. It's probably been 5 years since I set mine. I could be wrong.
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I see. I'm not too fussed really, but I have no clue whether I am including zeroes in my cadence averages or not. I have auto-pause off.
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Originally Posted by mike868y
speaking of cadence...i've been pacing my intervals this week by power as opposed to hr (i've had a PM for a while but since I paced by HR all winter i just felt more comfortable with it) and it's been really interesting to watch the relationship between power, cadence, and PE.
One thing that became incredibly obvious during my last FTP test (...in April, yeesh) was how much more power I make at a high cadence. Below 100, I start to bog down. Below 90, I'm way down on power. I pretty much need to be spinning to make big power numbers, which is exactly why I end up with such a high average cadence in crits.
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My cadence tends to drop as I get tired during an interval session, but I consider it independent of watts. This is because as I get deeper into a training cycle my cadence tends to get a bit lower but it doesn't seem to affect power production. When I am fresh and laying down power my rpms are in the 105-110 range on flat ground, toward the end of a block the same power will be in the 90's.

Also my last true ftp test was in December so don't feel too bad. I just pretend that my TSS is real haha
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Just double checked. Yep, low cadence on Saturday:
3/4 race 83 avg, 85 pedaling.
2/3 race 82 avg, 84 pedaling.
Only 3% time coasting.
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You should coast more.
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Walking up the stairs last night and my legs were burning something fierce. Took it easy this morning with an hour of Z2 and a handful of 30-sec efforts at 150%. TSS of 59.
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Originally Posted by grolby
One thing that became incredibly obvious during my last FTP test (...in April, yeesh) was how much more power I make at a high cadence. Below 100, I start to bog down. Below 90, I'm way down on power. I pretty much need to be spinning to make big power numbers, which is exactly why I end up with such a high average cadence in crits.
I spent most of winter working on slowing myself down cadence wise. I know it's kind of an individual thing but all the high spinning seemed to be wearing me down quicker, or maybe i just feel more powerful with a lower cadence. I was typically around 100-105 and even my training buddies recognized my higher cadence
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Originally Posted by cb3
I spent most of winter working on slowing myself down cadence wise. I know it's kind of an individual thing but all the high spinning seemed to be wearing me down quicker, or maybe i just feel more powerful with a lower cadence. I was typically around 100-105 and even my training buddies recognized my higher cadence
For me it makes more sense to do my training at the cadence I'll be racing with. My inclination is to pedal slower in training, but I should be mimicking what I'll be doing in a race more closely.
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