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Training Status??? (IV)

Old 10-15-16, 10:19 AM
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sorry i'm so sensitive, but yeah, running definitely beats people up. i've actually been getting injuries a lot less as i've been getting older, but judging from my logs that's because i was a complete idiot in the past and all those injuries were fully justified (hell, maybe 5-10 years from now i'll look back on my logs from now and see that *this* injury was completely justified too!). thanks for the apology, i probably should have read your comments more charitably instead of taking it as a personal affront.

slept in today - i think one thing i could improve in my training right now is getting more sleep. i've been having a lot of trouble sleeping lately and i'm not really sure why (my neighbors directly across from me having a newborn doesn't help given that i'm a light sleeper...), but its mostly due to having trouble falling asleep in the first place. something to work on...

thankfully it isn't supposed to rain today until later on, but i'll probably still ride my 'rain bike' just to be safe. the problem with biking is that when you cover 70-80mi on a ride, its almost bound to be raining *somewhere* along to route during weekends like this.
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Old 10-15-16, 07:40 PM
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I started getting knee and foot pains anything over 20 MPW. 50-60 no way.
Went for a ride up Mt tam today. Nice warm breaze and partially cloudy in the city. Pretty chilly for no vest, with rain and howling wind at the top. 4 hours total. Climb is around an hour at my sweet spottish pace. Forgot or never knew how long the climb is, but nice to know there's a decent climb around here even if it is too far to do on weekdays.
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Old 10-15-16, 07:59 PM
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did the tacx world championship mens race today on zwift, hoping to win a fancy trainer. Nearly 200 people participating. I had a NP of 257 (97%) for 1:15. Was hoping to get over 260, but whatever, work is work!
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Old 10-16-16, 08:01 AM
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Finally got permission to do a group ride yesterday, and had to pad it out to 3.5-4hrs. Ended up with 3:45, 245 TSS, 125kms.

That group ride though, geezus. None of the dozens of races I've been in have been *that* sketchy. People were treating a damned group ride like a race. The ride leader has no control over the group. Huge egos left and right: people leaving gaps, breaking the flow of the paceline, then people sprinting up the right gutter, and on the left, at the same time trying to bridge. Ridiculous.

Usually, the group ride is smooth when a given number get in the paceline and *stay* in the paceline. If they need to get out of it, they stop rotating but let the person ahead of them know what's happening so a gap doesn't form. Also, the 'last' person in the paceline says 'LAST' to the next person who needs to rotate at the back. Also, we ride steady 24-26mph for 75-80% of the segment THEN start to ramp it up before the sprint. So if the group blows up, that's fine, because we regroup immediately after the sprint. AND people aren't generally riding at or above their limit such that they can't even point out road hazards.

None of that happened yesterday. People weren't pointing things out and a few people hit big holes and got flats. People were trying to stay in the paceline above their limit, and so let 5 bike length gaps go in the forward rotating side, which causes the line to collapse, and people at the front got frustrated and caused a split...which then induces people all over the group to try to jump and bridge up...very dangerous.

...this is why my coach doesn't like me doing these rides: the risk of crashing goes through the roof.
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Old 10-16-16, 11:37 AM
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^sounds like most every group ride out here that isn't an organized "club ride".

I think every ride I jump into has no leader, no order, pacelining happens sometimes and only lasts until someone attacks, and have a bunch of sprint points for everlasting glory. They can be sketchy and generally a more seasoned rider will yell at the offender to cut it out and we keep moving.
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Originally Posted by hack
^sounds like most every group ride out here that isn't an organized "club ride".

I think every ride I jump into has no leader, no order, pacelining happens sometimes and only lasts until someone attacks, and have a bunch of sprint points for everlasting glory. They can be sketchy and generally a more seasoned rider will yell at the offender to cut it out and we keep moving.
race rides ≠ group rides
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Originally Posted by Ygduf
race rides ≠ group rides
that is true ... i haven't been on a proper group ride in some time.
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I kinda like the chaos of those rides, but I think I'm in the minority for that opinion.

Club 32 mile road race today, very wet as expected. The slower categories (only 3 ppl and a mentor) went first with a 20' headstart. About 16 of us in the chase group. Half of our group was obviously a bit slow for us, and 2 guys were drilling so hard I could barely take a few pulls. We would gap the group just by going hard over rollers and such, the group would claw back on, each time with fewer people. Down to 7 and we still hadn't caught the front group. The 2 strong guys were worried about dragging Mike (good sprint for an old guy) to the line, so they attacked after Mike's pull and I followed. Let them establish the gap, then took my turns. Caught one beginner 10' from the finish, but we finished a minute back from the other two. I took the sprint for 3rd overall. All the water and chasing made for a pretty epic ride even if it was only 90 minutes.
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Old 10-16-16, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by canuckbelle
Also, the 'last' person in the paceline says 'LAST' to the next person who needs to rotate at the back. \
I hear people do this from time to time. That and "clear" when pulling off at the front. Usually it's cat 4s or 5s, though. I have never done this. I will never do this. I think it's kind of dumb and silly. You're in a paceline. Take a second to familiarize with the people around you. It's not hard to turn your head a bit and see if there's a gap. If you need someone to tell you "last" or "clear" then I'm a bit concerned about your spatial awareness and not super sure I want to be riding that closely to you.
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Old 10-16-16, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by hack
^sounds like most every group ride out here that isn't an organized "club ride".

I think every ride I jump into has no leader, no order, pacelining happens sometimes and only lasts until someone attacks, and have a bunch of sprint points for everlasting glory. They can be sketchy and generally a more seasoned rider will yell at the offender to cut it out and we keep moving.

Right. It's not about having a leader. It's about having people cognizant of the dynamics of pacelines and groups with varying abilities. If you're pulling off and drifting back and there's a gap, slot in and rotate through again. This isn't a difficult concept. That way you keep the group intact while the people that can't and shouldn't be at the front stay at the back where they should be.

The riders make it sketchy or not. And hopefully any sketchiness is addressed when it occurs and the offender gets it and proceeds or goes backwards a bit and tries to figure it out off the back.

But I understand that still sometimes group rides are too big and too varied in the middle and back of the bunch. Those I just stay in the top ten people rotating and not worry much about the mayhem behind.
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Old 10-16-16, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by rubiksoval
I hear people do this from time to time. That and "clear" when pulling off at the front. Usually it's cat 4s or 5s, though. I have never done this. I will never do this. I think it's kind of dumb and silly. You're in a paceline. Take a second to familiarize with the people around you. It's not hard to turn your head a bit and see if there's a gap. If you need someone to tell you "last" or "clear" then I'm a bit concerned about your spatial awareness and not super sure I want to be riding that closely to you.
The problem is that people are randomly dropping out of the paceline and doing stupid crap. So you can't just remember who you're 'behind' or how many people are in the line. I get your point, but I think it's a nice courtesy to do it.
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Originally Posted by aaronmcd
I kinda like the chaos of those rides, but I think I'm in the minority for that opinion.

Club 32 mile road race today, very wet as expected. The slower categories (only 3 ppl and a mentor) went first with a 20' headstart. About 16 of us in the chase group. Half of our group was obviously a bit slow for us, and 2 guys were drilling so hard I could barely take a few pulls. We would gap the group just by going hard over rollers and such, the group would claw back on, each time with fewer people. Down to 7 and we still hadn't caught the front group. The 2 strong guys were worried about dragging Mike (good sprint for an old guy) to the line, so they attacked after Mike's pull and I followed. Let them establish the gap, then took my turns. Caught one beginner 10' from the finish, but we finished a minute back from the other two. I took the sprint for 3rd overall. All the water and chasing made for a pretty epic ride even if it was only 90 minutes.
20 seconds? 10 seconds?
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Saturday and Sunday 1:50 or endurance riding along PCH. Rode the same route each day. We had great weather and typical wind conditions.

Today, looking toward Torrey Pines Beach.

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Sat and Sunday rounded out a total of 170 miles and average about 22 (even with all the traffic) for the rides.

717 miles over the last 14 days. Im roasted.
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Old 10-16-16, 06:56 PM
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Rode for 2 hours yesterday, half of which in the rain. Took today off.
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Looked like the weather wouldn't clear, so I took the cross bike out. Rain stopped about 10 minutes in and stayed away for the hour or so of riding.
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3 hrs surrounding the Chili's ride yesterday, with a little work on Fiesta before and some climbing up and over the 52 after.

4 hr team ride today, nice steady z2. A cat 1 who placed 16th (IIRC) in Nats RR this year road the front for the entire ride doing his z2 on a TT bike. I went up and rode along side him for multiple stretches, but it was more like LT for me.
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3 hrs saturday, 90min tt bike on the trainer watching rain sheet down outside the garage.
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3 hrs sat.. 40min on trainer watching Doha replay..waiting for my free zwift to kick in.. otherwise really hard for me to stay motivated on the trainer.
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Old 10-16-16, 09:03 PM
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20' = 20 minutes
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Old 10-16-16, 09:04 PM
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day 3 of rain - this time it was pretty much pouring the entire time. pretty much the only one outside today - got in 2:20 and made it home in one piece. i *really* am trying not to have to ride the trainer - i think only thunderstorms or cold + rainy will force me inside (maybe once i bite the bullet and actually do some workouts successfully on the trainer i won't fear it so much). lots of interesting things i learned today:

- always assume you're not going to make the stop light in the rain. probably should always assume this, even when its not raining, but definitely smarter to assume when you can't brake safely.
- i didn't realize how 'quickly' i go through corners normally compared to what i was doing today
- i'm continually impressed by the gabba jersey
- day 1 of rain i came home with crazy flemish tanlines, day 2 i was just mildly dirty and by day 3 i didn't even if to hose down the bike. interesting to see how a weekend of rain has cleaned off the roads
- i lubed the bike last night because my ride felt pretty crappy yesterday - it made a big difference and pretty much confirmed that i was riding 'dry' yesterday :S (which given my rain bike only has a powertap hub means i was getting shortchanged on watts due to chain loss! i want my TSS back!)
- i get buffeted around a lot in the wind normally, but its extra extra sketchy to get buffeted around when the roads are slick.
- i should have thought to wear perscription swim googles instead of my glasses - the glasses didnt provide enough coverage at times to prevent the rain from knifing into my eyes. also - the glasses fog up pretty quickly meaning its pretty sketchy vision wise out there
- i went through a lake masquerading as a puddle (4-6" deep, 50-80' long) because the road was flooded and i couldn't see very well: velotoze pulled through and made it so i wasn't completely screwed. it was like a miracle. i have no idea how they did it, but i didn't feel significantly worse after (though maybe i was already soaked to the bone before hitting the puddle?)

overall, i think i got more TSS and time on bike than i would have if i had tried the trainer, but it wasn't a great workout either way and it was a lot less safe than i would have been at home. still, an experience for sure.
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According to my wife and people at work, I'm officially a hypochondriac. After fixing an anterior pelvic tilt, pinched nerve and sciatica, my next focus is on snapping hip (psoas catching the femur and popping). All of these are related, once you get a bad pelvic tilt these other problems show up. Unfortunately they do not fix themselves naturally.

Last week I mentioned my glutes weren't firing, and the quads and hamstrings were doing most of the glutes work; I'm able to work the glutes now, and some lifts at the gym went down a ton. My single leg press went from 90 to 30 lbs. I'm okay with it so long as the glutes get stronger.

Getting real close to real riding again, very little pain in the psoas during easy rides. Hopefully 2-3 weeks off to the hammerfests.
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First post in... a year? Maybe more? I still swing through every once in a while to see how everyone's doing.

Jumping back in because I have a little project that may be of interest to the 33. It's a training podcast, and my co-host is the guy who first told me about ZeCanon intervals (they should really be called Trevor intervals.) He knows his stuff.

Check it out here.

Keep on keepin' on.

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Sup Caley. I'll check it out. Nice job at VN, in general. The 33 is proud.

UPDATE: hey, this is really good! I've listened to the first two and part of the third episodes already. Nice and tight, and with some really informative training info. I'll be recommending this to people for sure. One comment - something is very odd about the levels, at least on my iphone. They are really, really low. I need to pretty much max out the volume on my headphones to really hear anything. But that might just be me.

P.S. I also have a podcast! /shameless piggy-backing

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Just got back from a fabulous European vacation on Saturday evening. First day back at work today. We rented bikes a couple of days, in Amsterdam and later in Ghent, but it was my first time back on my road bike in over two weeks. Also brought my cross bike out to GP Gloucester yesterday and did a few laps between races. Both felt SO GOOD. It's nice to be back. Training starts tomorrow. Pumped.

P.S. current CTL is mid-40's. Very much ready to start digging a big hole.
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my trainer ride was 60tss on the tt bike over 85ish minutes. legs are sore.
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