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Old 11-28-17, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
My training partner has spent all fall talking about how we are going to ride all winter, no matter the weather, and how much better off we’ll be than the Zwift Weenies. So of course the first rainy morning of the season he bails on me.

Jokes on him: it was blue sky when I got to the bike trail (although it was filthy with all the mud and leaves).
My father's golfing buddy says there is no bad golfing weather, just bad clothing/equipment. I tried applying that philosophy to cycling. I've come to realize that I disagree with it. I'd much rather be inside on cold wet days.


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hit up the gym tonight.

had planned to ride before it but bailed on that idea and did gym only. legs, core, jumps, a tiny bit of arms.

swol af.
I've been hitting the gym a lot - I"m up to three times a week. And I'm lifting a lot. I'm hitting new PRs on my deadlift and nearly my Squat PR.

But I just do not put on any mass.
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Old 11-28-17, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by topflightpro View Post
My father's golfing buddy says there is no bad golfing weather, just bad clothing/equipment. I tried applying that philosophy to cycling. I've come to realize that I disagree with it. I'd much rather be inside on cold wet days.




I've been hitting the gym a lot - I"m up to three times a week. And I'm lifting a lot. I'm hitting new PRs on my deadlift and nearly my Squat PR.

But I just do not put on any mass.
After ruining bearings on my primary bike and secondary bike, I'm no longer a fan of riding in the wet.
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Old 11-28-17, 09:14 AM
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Got dropped about 15 miles into the group ride. Then the next 40 miles were solo. In a way that's good, because I got more work in.

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Old 11-28-17, 09:49 AM
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was off for 4 days (didn't really want to, but didn't take my trainer to my parents and didn't get a chance to go out during daylight). did 2x15 ftp intervals today @ 265, hurty but doable, it's only taken 13 months to get back to that wattage lol
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Originally Posted by topflightpro View Post
My father's golfing buddy says there is no bad golfing weather, just bad clothing/equipment. I tried applying that philosophy to cycling. I've come to realize that I disagree with it. I'd much rather be inside on cold wet days.
the time it takes to clean bikes, gear, etc... after a wet ride is half the total time it takes to get a trainer workout in. That doesn't even factor in how little I like getting run over by cars who can't see in the rain, crashing on wet roads in the rain, changing flats in the rain, or just plain riding with freezing water sloshing in my shoes.
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Old 11-28-17, 02:32 PM
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3 hrs of z2 this morning, getting stronger.
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Old 11-28-17, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by mattm View Post
one of those should be a rest week, dammit
i tend to do more 'micro rest weeks' more frequently - like 2-4 days of low intensity until i feel fresh again as opposed to a 'full' rest week. why would it take 7 days exactly to recover? (that being said, i think that 7 days is probably a good rule of thumb for a lot of people, myself likely included, and that its probably better to over rest than under rest. its just hard when the weather's nice and there's a 4 day weekend...)

sub 40F this morning - took like 20 minutes to dress and then undress for a ride that was still unpleasant. i definitely need to get on the trainer, but i feel like i already 'did my time' on the trainer in september when i was rehabbing from a crash and so its hard to get back on it.
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Old 11-28-17, 08:44 PM
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Quantifying Fat Burning Adaptation

I couldn't figure out where to post this, so I'm throwing it out here.

Conventional wisdom holds that we can increase the proportion of fat that our bodies use for fuel while cycling by doing "fasted" rides, with now nutrition before or during the ride. What I've read and my own experience support this. What I'd like to know and haven't been able to find is a way to quantify how much it helps. I'm not sure how the quantification would be expressed, nor what an ideal percentage of fat vs. carb burning is, or if that percentage (if it exists) varies based on duration. My guess/hope is that there is a wattage threshold where you run mostly on fat and that that threshold can be pushed up...but that's a SWAG.

My goal events for next year are from 106 to 206 miles with some-to-stupid amounts of climbing, so this has some relevance for me.
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Old 11-28-17, 09:09 PM
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I thought I had been getting over the sickness come last tuesday, but by the time I got off the airplane in Seattle I was pretty ****ed up. Eyes nearly swollen shut with this goopy **** and so much phlegm. Manged to make it through thanksgiving day on nasal rinses, eye hot packs and a bit helpful anti-histamines and actaully felt decent enough to go for a short mtb ride with my brother on Friday. Come saturday morning I felt like **** again and went to urgent care. They prescribed we with a heavy (875mg amoxicillin) antibiotic for what they're saying is a terrible sinus infection.

Woof, that **** knocks you down real hard. Made every muscle in my body feel weak, and I haven't been wanting to eat much because of it. I missed work yesterday (monday) because I got there and just couldn't focus. Ended up just calling a sick day, driving home and just crashing hard in bed. I think I slept something like 14 hours yesterday. Back to work today and I'm feeling better but still getting a bit of a cough and on the verge of a bloody nose all the time. Hoping I'll be back on the bike for something easy tomorrow, but I'm gonna play it safe.

I don't think I've done a quality day on the bike in almost 3 weeks due to the way this illness fell right at the end of a rest week + holiday travel. One more reason I hate rest weeks, I end up sick at the end of them...
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Old 11-28-17, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by revchuck View Post
SWAG
your guess is what I think as well. Seems to me I can do about 800kj/hour now without being too taxed if the effort is steady, and I believe that is higher than it used to be.
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Old 11-28-17, 11:02 PM
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Sucks @Ttoc6. Hate note being able to train. Hope the antibiotics do the trick for ya and you get well soon.
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Old 11-29-17, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by scheibo View Post
i tend to do more 'micro rest weeks' more frequently - like 2-4 days of low intensity until i feel fresh again as opposed to a 'full' rest week. why would it take 7 days exactly to recover? (that being said, i think that 7 days is probably a good rule of thumb for a lot of people, myself likely included, and that its probably better to over rest than under rest. its just hard when the weather's nice and there's a 4 day weekend...)

sub 40F this morning - took like 20 minutes to dress and then undress for a ride that was still unpleasant. i definitely need to get on the trainer, but i feel like i already 'did my time' on the trainer in september when i was rehabbing from a crash and so its hard to get back on it.
"Rest week" doesn't mean off the bike completely, in your case (and mine) it could be just 10 hours instead of 20.

I dunno, this is all just stuff I read in books. Make up your own training logic as you wish!
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Got up early this morning to ride, but it was 42f outside at 6.. yeah no thanks. So I went in to work super-early (at 7!), with a plan to leave at 2. Didn't get out until 2:30, not the road until 3:15, and of course by that time the sun was behind the trees and it was cold af outside anyway. Ugh.

Did z2 to a local hill, then a ~90% 'test' up it for 20 mins, z2 home. Legs were sore from the gym, but I at least completed it, and came in at exactly 90% of my last-tested FTP. It felt easy-ish, so I guess that's a good sign.

So cold. Night on the way home. Forgot how much it sucks to ride at rush hour in the dark.. need to switch back to mornings.

Had this big plan to ride mid-day this winter, when the sun's out and it's warm, but it's easier said than done. Getting 2+ hours mid-day isn't really realistic.
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Old 11-29-17, 08:23 AM
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Got up early this morning to ride, but it was 42f outside at 6.. yeah no thanks. So I went in to work super-early (at 7!), with a plan to leave at 2. Didn't get out until 2:30, not the road until 3:15, and of course by that time the sun was behind the trees and it was cold af outside anyway. Ugh.

Did z2 to a local hill, then a ~90% 'test' up it for 20 mins, z2 home. Legs were sore from the gym, but I at least completed it, and came in at exactly 90% of my last-tested FTP. It felt easy-ish, so I guess that's a good sign.

So cold. Night on the way home. Forgot how much it sucks to ride at rush hour in the dark.. need to switch back to mornings.

Had this big plan to ride mid-day this winter, when the sun's out and it's warm, but it's easier said than done. Getting 2+ hours mid-day isn't really realistic.
And i always thought CA weather was sunny daily
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After calf strain last week on Tue, got one those 12hr heat patch from CVS on Saturday by Monday I was walking alright with no issue. Doc prescribed some ibuprofen and muscle relaxer. Yesterday rode 1.5 hr with no issues but so glad it wasn't something big. Oh well that's 8 day winter rest.
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3 hours, 200 TSS. A lot of ouch.
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3 hours, 200 TSS. A lot of ouch.
trainer?
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Got up early this morning to ride, but it was 42f outside at 6.. yeah no thanks. So I went in to work super-early (at 7!), with a plan to leave at 2. Didn't get out until 2:30, not the road until 3:15, and of course by that time the sun was behind the trees and it was cold af outside anyway. Ugh.

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So cold. Night on the way home. Forgot how much it sucks to ride at rush hour in the dark.. need to switch back to mornings.

Had this big plan to ride mid-day this winter, when the sun's out and it's warm, but it's easier said than done. Getting 2+ hours mid-day isn't really realistic.
It's beautiful here now but I already rode. Left the house at 6:30, got 2.5 hours in. Was chilly and pretty foggy at some points but it is what it is.
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trainer?
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yeah
what chamois cream do you use, because I both want to try it and invest in it... sitting in my sweat was not good for me!
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I rode today! 60 minutes very easy on the trainer. Today's the first day I haven't taken any drugs (besides the anti-biotic) and have felt like a normal human being. Nasal rinses are a god send!

Finally got my rides all synced in on Golden cheetah and a week of sick is not good for the CTL. It basically put me back to where I was before i started training again at the beginning of october. It's a good thing CTL doesn't determine how fit you actually are. Last year I would have obsessed over this and dug a big whole. This year I'm a new person! Going to go back, repeat a week or two of my base training, re test the FTP then head into the Christmas break from work with a plan to put in a good, hard week of long miles.
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Headed down to Fiesta for 2x30' before work at the ol' Sweet Spot. Hit the first one on the head, then bailed 24 min into the second one when I saw a good buddy spinning easy up ahead of me. Chatted for a min then I decided to hit the gas for the last ~1/2 lap, and right as I get out of the saddle to get some speed, some dude on a TT rig comes whooshing past...

I ended up riding ahead of him and staying in front for the last 4:30 of the remaining lap at 117% - oops. That's OK because I won the cat 6 race and it was worth it

Riding home tonight (40' z1), then a big ride (100+ mi, 5-6 hrs) on Saturday to finish up this block!
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Buzzed within 1 min of leaving the parking lot. Less than 10 min later, as I'm ~1 min into my first interval, a truck makes a left into my lane just ahead of me then almost immediately turns right into a parking lot. I had to lock up my brakes and skid sideways to avoid smashing into the back of him. Much yelling ensued, but he was apologetic.

Anger+adrenaline = at least 10 extra watts, right?
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Getting back into it. Did ~40 minutes of sweetspot( on the lower end). Legs felt good, but the heart rate was higher than it normally has been for these efforts. Gonna slow back down again tomorrow. Still spewing gross **** out of nose and the coughing is keeping me awake at night.. Might have to take some nyquil tonight zzzz.
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