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Old 12-06-17, 08:51 PM   #10451
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Masters racing on 60tss? Yeah, right.
Pretty sure he meant CTL. The range given is 60-100 and it's about right. The weekly TSS is bogus, though. They give a max of 480, which is a fairly easy week.

Anyone know where in TP you can find your annual TSS?
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Hour pretty easy today. Frustrating day at work that ended with an hour on the phone with IT. Didn't have the mental strength to want to do much more than this.

Had to take some nyquil to sleep last night from the coughing. but today is better. Just want to be done!
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Cool, apparently I can let off the gas and just do recovery weeks full time now.

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The weekly hours for 1/2 are utterly insane (700-1000!!). Do most world tour pros even do that? 105-120 CTL seems about right I guess. I typically hover around 95-100ish but I don't do many road races and no stage races.

But for those hours and CTL to correlate, you'd have to be doing a metric ton of slow-as- hell riding. No thanks.
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Went to the gym.

Mostly did the usual, but tried some jump-rope when nobody was looking. Damn it's way harder than I remembered! At first I couldn't make one rotation, but eventually got about 15 "jumps" in a row. Probably good for fast-twitch muscle work but damn it's a lot of coordination.
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Old 12-06-17, 11:05 PM   #10456
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Went to the gym.

Mostly did the usual, but tried some jump-rope when nobody was looking. Damn it's way harder than I remembered! At first I couldn't make one rotation, but eventually got about 15 "jumps" in a row. Probably good for fast-twitch muscle work but damn it's a lot of coordination.
I haven't jumped rope in many years, but found a rope when I was cleaning the garage a couple weeks back. Happy that I can still knock out double unders, but the sets are waaaaay fewer jumps (?) than in the past.
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Old 12-06-17, 11:10 PM   #10457
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Cool, apparently I can let off the gas and just do recovery weeks full time now.



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That's nuts. Guess it's across the board, but I'd strongly suspect that's a very large outlier.

Our local guy that rides for Silber and the US national team hasn't done more than 16 the last few weeks. He's at 13,000 for the year. Brad Huff and Ty Magner are both two guys I raced a few times this year and follow, both of them will be pro-conti next year and both post a lot. Ty's at 10,000, Huff's at 14000 miles. Neither have broken 20 hours in the last few months (more in the 15-20 range).
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I know masters guys who put up 30+ hour weeks, but yeah, that kind of volume necessitates a lot of easy stuff.
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I also went to the gym yesterday. I'm on a rest week, so I was planning a light work out. Started with some box jumps - lower than what I normally do. Felt like I had lead weights around my feet. It was a bit of a struggle.
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Cool, apparently I can let off the gas and just do recovery weeks full time now.



This is from one of our local Domestic Pros Strava:


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Good lord.
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That's nuts. Guess it's across the board, but I'd strongly suspect that's a very large outlier.

Our local guy that rides for Silber and the US national team hasn't done more than 16 the last few weeks. He's at 13,000 for the year. Brad Huff and Ty Magner are both two guys I raced a few times this year and follow, both of them will be pro-conti next year and both post a lot. Ty's at 10,000, Huff's at 14000 miles. Neither have broken 20 hours in the last few months (more in the 15-20 range).
I think it really depends what their role is. Brian is basically the team workhorse so he's got to put in big watts for a long time. Some of the crit specialists and sprinters those hours may be counterproductive.

Some of the more talented guys put in less work because they can.
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90mins with 5x12 sweet spot, 102tss, felt a little more challenging today than the past few days (legs felt a bit tired when I woke up), tomorrow is supposed to be easy and I probably won't get to do anything this weekend
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I guess the cool thing is that you don't have to pretend to care about anything else.
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I guess if you're getting paid enough to live on and your partner is down with a zombie spouse/boyfriend for months at a time...
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Two PF? How did that happen? The stretching and icing seems to work plus easy 1.5 hrs bike rides on a trainer to avoid hitting holes or bumps outside. Life is funny, been avoiding trainer rides forever but now it's the only way
got a night boot today, we'll see how that holds. Saw lots of diff stretches from hip to calf online.
There was a five year gap between bout #1 and bout #2. I had also previously torn that achilles running a hilly marathon in California (also about 5 years before bout #1)

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I guess if you're getting paid enough to live on and your partner is down with a zombie spouse/boyfriend for months at a time...
if you reduce intensity and sleep through the night and focus entirely on recovery you might not be a zombie.
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Rest week randomness:

20' z1 spin around the hood, then 20' run, then I kitted up again and rode into work (45 min). Gonna ride home after work too. It's windy and dry out! Kinda exciting to be outside but gets unpleasant after a few minutes.
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The weekly hours for 1/2 are utterly insane (700-1000!!). Do most world tour pros even do that? 105-120 CTL seems about right I guess. I typically hover around 95-100ish but I don't do many road races and no stage races.

But for those hours and CTL to correlate, you'd have to be doing a metric ton of slow-as- hell riding. No thanks.
I did 701 hours in 2016 according to strava. Probably around 100 CTL average that year. This year was much less.
14 hours a week = 2 hours a day. At 105 CTL thats 52.5 TSS/hr
sqrt(0.525) = 0.725 that's upper end of zone 2. I wouldn't call upper zone 2 average NP slow as hell. Unless you never commute by bike, never just ride for fun, even in the off season, never warm up, never cool down, and never have to ride to the workout location.
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I'm an 80-85 TSS kinda guy, in season. Falls to 60 (or less) over late summer and fall. It's about right for me.

Right now I'm at ~700 TSS/week on "on" weeks, mebbe 300-400 on off weeks when I like to do other physical activity. Next block will be more than 700/week.
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I did 701 hours in 2016 according to strava. Probably around 100 CTL average that year. This year was much less.
14 hours a week = 2 hours a day. At 105 CTL thats 52.5 TSS/hr
sqrt(0.525) = 0.725 that's upper end of zone 2. I wouldn't call upper zone 2 average NP slow as hell. Unless you never commute by bike, never just ride for fun, even in the off season, never warm up, never cool down, and never have to ride to the workout location.
Unless you don't do races, don't do group rides, and don't do workouts, to complete that many hours you're going to do a lot of ridiculously slow riding.

I'll stand by my initial statement.

If you like riding around slow, have at it. As I said, not for me, though. Don't think I've done over 500 hours yet, but I've hit 105ish CTL at points in the last four years. I just do it with intensity. I'll take speed over volume any day.
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I am at 584.5 YTD, with a couple of layoffs. Last year I did 759.5. If I am honest, I am faster on (relatively) lower hours.
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I'll end with about 580-590 training hours. Which is probably close to 80 up over last year. Would love to crack 600, but it's amazing how far away that 10-20 hours is. I just hit 90 ctl after being quite a bit lower during the season.

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I have a teammate (also a 45+Cat3) who loves to put in huge off season miles and will be over 95 when the season starts. I thought that was extreme, but I've been lucky enough to get lots of consistent sweet-spot work in October and November. I'm at 84 right now, which is as high as I've ever been in December. A couple more weeks of 600-700 tss, will probably put me in the low 90s, then a week or two off for Xmas-NY.
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