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Old 10-21-15, 08:04 AM
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Why are northeast people doing vo2max in October? Honest question. I feel like I were doing any significant intensity now, I would be useless when the racing season starts in March.
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Increasing vo2 ups FTP ceiling, increasing FTP increases endurance wattage which pays off in bigger base, bigger base pays off next season. Assuming it doesn't make you hate your bike.

Which leads to...
Today, 4hrs with 5x5 vo2.
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Originally Posted by globecanvas
Why are northeast people doing vo2max in October? Honest question. I feel like I were doing any significant intensity now, I would be useless when the racing season starts in March.
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on that note yesterday was 5*4' hill repeats on the cross bike in the woods followed by a bunch of single track stuff. TKP made fun of my slowness on strava

today was tempo on the fixed gear.

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So in my first week of my off-season, I did 616 tss (88/avg per ride). I may be setting the bar a bit high for myself here as far as being able to continue ramping up tss, it's going to have to come from the intensity side of the equation as opposed to duration, I imagine.
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Originally Posted by globecanvas
Why are northeast people doing vo2max in October? Honest question. I feel like I were doing any significant intensity now, I would be useless when the racing season starts in March.
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This. That said, I'm doing only a couple of VO2 workouts as part of a mini-block to prep for my biggest target race of the fall, Cycle-Smart International in Northampton. Tons of VO2 would just burn me out, especially since my overall fitness as measured by CTL has been steadily declining since early September. And after CSI I have only a handful of races left, I'm not racing hard into December.
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Originally Posted by globecanvas
Why are northeast people doing vo2max in October? Honest question. I feel like I were doing any significant intensity now, I would be useless when the racing season starts in March.
Old people need to do it year round. That the system that deteriorates most as we age. I've done two VO2 max workouts in the last week.
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Originally Posted by grolby
This. That said, I'm doing only a couple of VO2 workouts as part of a mini-block to prep for my biggest target race of the fall, Cycle-Smart International in Northampton. Tons of VO2 would just burn me out, especially since my overall fitness as measured by CTL has been steadily declining since early September. And after CSI I have only a handful of races left, I'm not racing hard into December.

so so so bummed to be missing this because of work

also, i'm kind of just doing VO2 because I think my VO2 is pretty weak and it's pretty important for the races I want to do well in.
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Old people need to do it year round. That the system that deteriorates most as we age. I've done two VO2 max workouts in the last week.
I'm not admitting to be old but I just read Friel's article on training over 50 and he puts up a good argument for this ^^
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Originally Posted by globecanvas
Why are northeast people doing vo2max in October? Honest question. I feel like I were doing any significant intensity now, I would be useless when the racing season starts in March.
Northeast people are different...just read the northeast racing thread.

Joe Friel released a book Fast after 50. Here is an excerpt written by Friel. And below a quote from the Velonews article.

That typically means training anaerobically — at or above the lactate threshold. For experienced endurance athletes, an exercise regimen based solely on long, slow distance (LSD) will do little to improve or even maintain your aerobic fitness status over the years.

Granted, that does not address seasonal fluctuations in training intensity, rest intervals or peaking for a race. However, year round intensity does seem to offer benefits. And even though the Fast after 50 title seems to imply that degradation starts at 50...think again. It is more like 30.

Maybe those northeast people are just smart. Nah.

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No VO2 or structured work for me. Rode to work yesterday to try and get some time on the bike. 44 miles with 2000 feet of climbing. Drafted a truck on a descent, which was fun. Broke a rear derailleur cable, which was crappy. My derailleur is messed up from all the crashing and chain is super worn so bike rides like a POS. Ordered a chain, cassette, cables, housing, and derailleur last night for Thursday delivery. Hopefully I find time to replace everything before Saturday.
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Originally Posted by Hermes
Northeast people are different...just read the northeast racing thread.

Joe Friel released a book Fast after 50. Here is an excerpt written by Friel. And below a quote from the Velonews article.

That typically means training anaerobically — at or above the lactate threshold. For experienced endurance athletes, an exercise regimen based solely on long, slow distance (LSD) will do little to improve or even maintain your aerobic fitness status over the years.

Granted, that does not address seasonal fluctuations in training intensity, rest intervals or peaking for a race. However, year round intensity does seem to offer benefits. And even though the Fast after 50 title seems to imply that degradation starts at 50...think again. It is more like 30.

Maybe those northeast people are just smart. Nah.
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Originally Posted by Hermes
Northeast people are different...just read the northeast racing thread.

Joe Friel released a book Fast after 50. Here is an excerpt written by Friel. And below a quote from the Velonews article.

That typically means training anaerobically — at or above the lactate threshold. For experienced endurance athletes, an exercise regimen based solely on long, slow distance (LSD) will do little to improve or even maintain your aerobic fitness status over the years.

Granted, that does not address seasonal fluctuations in training intensity, rest intervals or peaking for a race. However, year round intensity does seem to offer benefits. And even though the Fast after 50 title seems to imply that degradation starts at 50...think again. It is more like 30.

Maybe those northeast people are just smart. Nah.
I need to get a copy of that book (even though I'm a few years shy of getting an AARP card). The excerpts I've seen make a lot of sense to me.
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Hammered a bit last night after work.

Passed a group that seemed to be going hard, and tried to make sure they didn't come around. For minutes I could hear them coasting behind me, while I hammered away. Damn, either I'm weak or they're strong, I thought.

Turned around after a few minutes and nobody was there - it was my chain I kept hearing! Kept me motivated at least.
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Turned around after a few minutes and nobody was there - it was my chain I kept hearing! Kept me motivated at least.
this happens to me all the time. will be otf and ride by a wall or something. the echo of my bike will make me think I'm being caught.

like a dog dragging something by the leash and being afraid of it.
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That typically means training anaerobically — at or above the lactate threshold. For experienced endurance athletes, an exercise regimen based solely on long, slow distance (LSD) will do little to improve or even maintain your aerobic fitness status over the years.

Well, hmm. I don't really read that as saying "older athletes need to do vo2max intervals year round." My plan on the bike for the next few months was lots of tempo and threshold, and basically no intensity intervals. I have seen many comments from Friel in the past along the lines of "some athletes believe... they should do only intervals and do them year round. A few may be able to get away with that, but I think I’d soon become burned out from trying to get up for high-intensity intervals."

I did just order the book & will read it, though.
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Turns out this Prilosec is actually doing something for my gut... I've been feeling better over the past few days.

Was able to kick down 3hrs at a solid (for me) ~180w AP this morning (harder on climbs), 1hr at a high tempo yesterday and 2hrs on the MTB Sun, mostly screwing around.

I realize that the Prilosec is mainly just treating my symptoms (sour, upset stomach and nausea) and not necessarily the underlying cause, so it may be a couple months or more before I'm really in the clear with this, but at least I can ride. After speaking with the doc yesterday, we both decided that it was stupid that the first doc. I saw didn't request a stool antigen test for H. Pylori - Omeprazole causes false negatives, of course.

Anyway, long story short: I'm happy to be riding, felt great this morning. Looking forward to kicking down some more MTB tomorrow, and then 5+ hrs on the road on Sat!!!
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I think its a pretty good idea to 'stay in touch' with all training levels year round while the particular emphasis can change based on the season. Doing 3 months of base containing nothing harder than tempo is going to make trying to hit higher levels later on much more difficult. It's all about maintaining and consolidating gains.

today: 2.5 hr with 3x10 "approximately flat approximately threshold" seated. Long recovery to get back to the start that I did at L2+ - I had anticipated the road to be more downhill and expected it would be much quicker to get back to the start for a repeat but it still ended up taking ~10 minutes, so maybe I should have just done the intervals in both directions. Watts 10% lower than on a climb, though part of that could be blamed on the fact that I was trying to do all the intervals seated - probably could have narrowed the gap a bit if I allowed myself to stand.

Definitely stressed different muscles from doing the workout on the flat - its going to be a tough day at work given how tired my legs are
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2 hours on carriage roads and trails on the cross bike, with 30 minutes of tempo and 30 minutes of threshold. And about 30 minutes of stopping to take photos of the incredible gold, orange, red leaf insanity, but it all looked so small and ordinary in the photos and I ended up deleting them all.
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Originally Posted by globecanvas
And about 30 minutes of stopping to take photos of the incredible gold, orange, red leaf insanity, but it all looked so small and ordinary in the photos and I ended up deleting them all.
This is pretty much the result of every photo I have ever taken.
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Originally Posted by TMonk
Turns out this Prilosec is actually doing something for my gut... I've been feeling better over the past few days.

Was able to kick down 3hrs at a solid (for me) ~180w AP this morning (harder on climbs), 1hr at a high tempo yesterday and 2hrs on the MTB Sun, mostly screwing around.

I realize that the Prilosec is mainly just treating my symptoms (sour, upset stomach and nausea) and not necessarily the underlying cause, so it may be a couple months or more before I'm really in the clear with this, but at least I can ride. After speaking with the doc yesterday, we both decided that it was stupid that the first doc. I saw didn't request a stool antigen test for H. Pylori - Omeprazole causes false negatives, of course.

Anyway, long story short: I'm happy to be riding, felt great this morning. Looking forward to kicking down some more MTB tomorrow, and then 5+ hrs on the road on Sat!!!
Have you tried eating yogurt every day? Maybe activa? I hear great things, and not just from the commercials. I'm going to try it.

It's almost 80 degrees, a few days after flurries came down this past weekend. Going to ride in shorts tomorrow!
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A bridge too far; ended 5x5's after second effort. Felt off and don't want to dig a hole, so spun home hella easy. ~2.5hrs
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Originally Posted by Gramercy
Have you tried eating yogurt every day? Maybe activa? I hear great things, and not just from the commercials. I'm going to try it.
Yep, been doing probiotics everyday!
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