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Old 10-22-15, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by hack View Post
Eh ... yes and no. My understanding is that TSS is based on NP and if you attack the crap out of a few 60s hills (I mean 100% all out) you can shove 60 min NP above 60 min AP (FTP) leading to 100 TSS in under an hour (had 130 in 63 minutes last week). Also, it could mean my FTP needs retesting.

edit: TSS = ((NP/FTP)^2)*100*hours ridden; so, if you NP the heck out of a ride, TSS can exceed 100 per hour.
Makes sense. I've seen 100 tss in under an hour when I do Costco Hill repeats. Buuuuttt 130 in 63'? Retest.
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Old 10-22-15, 12:01 PM
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Eh ... yes and no. My understanding is that TSS is based on NP and if you attack the crap out of a few 60s hills (I mean 100% all out) you can shove 60 min NP above 60 min AP (FTP) leading to 100 TSS in under an hour (had 130 in 63 minutes last week). Also, it could mean my FTP needs retesting.

edit: TSS = ((NP/FTP)^2)*100*hours ridden; so, if you NP the heck out of a ride, TSS can exceed 100 per hour.

TSS >100 per hour is an "NP buster" ride. Either means the left side of your power curve is higher than most -- in other words, the NP model is breaking down because for you, repeated short hard efforts are not as physiologically taxing as the NP model says they are -- or, FTP is set too low. 130 TSS in 1.05 hours = most likely the latter.
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Old 10-22-15, 12:11 PM
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Another perfect fall ride on a perfect fall day. 4 hours of foothills back roads with TKP. Saw a drone flying club, a group of bike racer ladies, a fox, the world's largest pumpkin cannon, and had an awkwardly long quizzical exchange of looks with a random stranger who was wearing my team kit.
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Old 10-22-15, 12:28 PM
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Purdy ride. Snagged a KOM at the tail end. Drinking coffee. Life is hard.
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Old 10-22-15, 12:37 PM
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2hrs on zwift @ 190w 114TSS up to 319TSS for the week so far
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Old 10-22-15, 12:41 PM
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Snagged a KOM
Haha, I had that KOM once. Now I'm barely on the (east coast) podium.
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Old 10-22-15, 12:48 PM
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Gotta take back the crown! Strava is serious business
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Old 10-22-15, 02:40 PM
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Had an NP Buster of my own at lunch. 81.6 tss in 44 min of riding time. 1' intervals and a lot of coasting.
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Old 10-22-15, 02:51 PM
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True story, the 1:20 effort I did at the end of the ride was like 15tss! If you want to impress your friends with theoretical ewang, do 1min repeats.
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Old 10-22-15, 03:09 PM
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Crazy thing happened to me on the group ride this am. We were coming down a hill (not very steep) towards a right turn at the bottom. I was 4th wheel, 3 guys in front all yell clear so we are going kind of fast, as soon as I start the turn my front tire blows out. There's the sound of my wheel on the street because the tire actually came off the rim a bit. Somehow I managed to unclip and use my foot to slow myself down and steady the bike at the same time. I got over to the right still upright and nobody else went down. Scared the heck out of me though. I was able to boot the tire and finish up the ride. I stopped by the shop later and they looked over my wheel. Thankfully it's fine.
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Old 10-22-15, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by rideaz View Post
Crazy thing happened to me on the group ride this am. We were coming down a hill (not very steep) towards a right turn at the bottom. I was 4th wheel, 3 guys in front all yell clear so we are going kind of fast, as soon as I start the turn my front tire blows out. There's the sound of my wheel on the street because the tire actually came off the rim a bit. Somehow I managed to unclip and use my foot to slow myself down and steady the bike at the same time. I got over to the right still upright and nobody else went down. Scared the heck out of me though. I was able to boot the tire and finish up the ride. I stopped by the shop later and they looked over my wheel. Thankfully it's fine.

close call. every time I experience anything like that it's usually over before I have time to process what's happening. glad you stayed up!
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Old 10-22-15, 07:51 PM
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1h40 w/ tempo - 15min @ 60%, 1hr @ 85%, 30min @ 60% (though it was all flat, so compared to 'flat' FTP it was more like 65/95/65%).

feel like i'm starting to get the hang of applying power on the flats and especially downhill. i think i'm going to be doing a lot more flat tempo work, this will probably become a weekly workout.

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I love that you are taking my advice and I loath that you will be a better climber than I am in short order.
that may or may not be the plan. i've already started setting goals for next year...
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Old 10-22-15, 08:21 PM
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Ugh ... 90 min temp ride tonight (2x30 at 85%). 100 TSS. As much as I can kill an NP buster ride, tempo stuff just kills me. Very left side power curve dominant. I guess I have a winter to build on something though.
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Old 10-23-15, 05:13 AM
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I cant help but laugh when climbing ftp and flat ftp are talked about..

I don't even know what its like to climb anything more than 30 seconds, so im sure my climbing ftp is negative watts!

Although I did do one race last year with a ~8 minute climb in it. It was pouring rain, I got dropped 3 feet after the climb started..on the first lap, and I was hating life the entire time.

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Old 10-23-15, 06:09 AM
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Easy 1.5hrs
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Old 10-23-15, 07:34 AM
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skipped my openers this morning. tried to do some efforts during my commute, but it's just not the same. i've got to get better at handling working 11-12 hour days and trying to ride at 6AM. I struggled a lot with this last winter too.
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Old 10-23-15, 07:45 AM
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That's never easy, work and lack of sleep wear on you. It's impressive that you have the discipline to get up before dawn to train given what else you're doing.
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Old 10-23-15, 08:37 AM
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thanks, it's really not that bad when i'm working normal hours and can get home and chill out but when i get home at 930 and don't really fall asleep until like 1030 it's tough. it's funny, i probably "worked" way way way more hours when in school, but having the flexibility to make your own schedule really made things easier, in hindsight.

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Old 10-23-15, 10:50 AM
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that may or may not be the plan. i've already started setting goals for next year...
Racing next year?
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Originally Posted by Wylde06 View Post
I cant help but laugh when climbing ftp and flat ftp are talked about..
I mean, FTP=FTP so really 'climbing' vs. 'flat' (or vs. 'indoor') is all bogus and I just use it to justify being slower

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definitely. this year i managed to be away travelling for pretty much all of the races i was interested in, but i can't see that happening again.
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Old 10-23-15, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by scheibo View Post
I mean, FTP=FTP so really 'climbing' vs. 'flat' (or vs. 'indoor') is all bogus and I just use it to justify being slower



definitely. this year i managed to be away travelling for pretty much all of the races i was interested in, but i can't see that happening again.
Seeing as you live where you can ride outside year round, you've probably never experienced the impact of cardiac drift as it relates to riding a trainer.

Even with a nice fan going, I'm dying at 330w on the trainer after 10-15min. Outside, on the road or on the trails? Meh.
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Old 10-23-15, 01:32 PM
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glad you're OK @rideaz.
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Originally Posted by Duke of Kent View Post
Seeing as you live where you can ride outside year round, you've probably never experienced the impact of cardiac drift as it relates to riding a trainer.

Even with a nice fan going, I'm dying at 330w on the trainer after 10-15min. Outside, on the road or on the trails? Meh.
I'm a recent transplant from Canada, so I'm well versed in the awfulness that is an indoor trainer (and yeah, my 'indoor' FTP is still probably about another 10% or worse lower than even my 'flat' FTP, if I can even manage to stay on a trainer long enough). That doesn't change your FTP though (Alex's Cycle Blog: Turbocharged Training).

I always ride to feel anyway, its only after a ride when I look at the power and notice its so much lower for the effort that I start turning to the 'flat' FTP excuse. It also means my TSS is lower for the workout which sucks because it makes it harder to brag on the internet.
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Aiming for 4-5hrs of flogging myself to death. Blowing off steam.
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Awake until 1am finishing a book. The cat woke me up at 4:30am by dropping a live mouse in my hand, which let me tell you is a horrible way to wake up. I decided at that point to blow off the 7:30am team cross ride, but woke up anyway at 6:45 and figured what the heck.

Freezing, gorgeous morning; suffered mightily on the ride due to lack of sleep and breakfast. Used every energy conservation trick in the book to hang on. I have decided recently that energy conservation is my only superpower.

Arrived home and just as I walked in the front door, the cat dropped the not yet expired, but pretty much expired, mouse in front of me from the 2nd floor.




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