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Old 11-12-15, 01:05 PM
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I like structured training, but I find I can only do so many weeks of it before it wears me down mentally (physically its fine). I just get stressed about being concerned about weight, over analyzing my numbers and workouts, worrying about results, etc. I want to go back to exploring and not caring for a while.

Intensity wise, I find I actually get a comparable amount when I'm doing unstructured riding because I still like going up hills hard etc. Its just that I need to transition my mental model to one where I don't get upset if I'm not executing everything to plan or PRing all the time.

Also, until I can 'stride' again I really have nothing else I like to do with my time, so I'll still be getting in plenty of pedalling hours.
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Originally Posted by scheibo
I like structured training, but I find I can only do so many weeks of it before it wears me down mentally (physically its fine). I just get stressed about being concerned about weight, over analyzing my numbers and workouts, worrying about results, etc. I want to go back to exploring and not caring for a while.

Intensity wise, I find I actually get a comparable amount when I'm doing unstructured riding because I still like going up hills hard etc. Its just that I need to transition my mental model to one where I don't get upset if I'm not executing everything to plan or PRing all the time.

Also, until I can 'stride' again I really have nothing else I like to do with my time, so I'll still be getting in plenty of pedalling hours.
you being concerned with your bodyweight is nothing but unproductive. you'd likely recover better and feel better a couple lbs fatter. Over time, the better recovery leads to stronger legs which makes the original 2lbs you gained meaningless. I stress about my fatness and weight more than anyone. Don't be like me in that regard. It's stupid.
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Originally Posted by Ygduf
you being concerned with your bodyweight is nothing but unproductive. you'd likely recover better and feel better a couple lbs fatter. Over time, the better recovery leads to stronger legs which makes the original 2lbs you gained meaningless. I stress about my fatness and weight more than anyone. Don't be like me in that regard. It's stupid.
+1

As much as I would like to lose another 10-15 lbs this winter I know that when I am 5 lbs lighter than now I start to feel fatigued and my performance goes down. The primary goal is about getting faster, not skinnier.
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"Training" has sucked this week. Been sick since Saturday which started out as a sore throat, fever and earache. Now it's just congestion and so.much.snot!! I'm a terrible sick person. I hate sitting around and haven't been able to sleep well. I've done a few easy rides this week and some trail running. I ended up at the doctor for antibiotics for my ear and sinus. On the plus side, I was due for a rest week and I weigh less than I have in years!
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I usually eat a solid breakfast before my morning rides and still get hungry at the end (usually 2:15-2:30hrs).
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Old 11-12-15, 10:46 PM
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Had a morning meeting in Santa Rosa so I took my bike in order to get in a little ride in the afternoon. I don't think I'll be challenging that KOM any time soon, not until I get a grand fondo named after me.
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1hr20, with 60mins at 231w (89%). felt great could have kept going for longer, really.

I don't know if anyone else gets annoyed when they have a power/cadence dialed in and the fluid resistance decreases on the trainer. I assume many fluid trainers have this to varying degrees, just a bit of a pain to have to spin a little too fast or too slow at times to stay at a desired target (plus I have 8 speed cassette so not a lot of fine tuning on that)
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short tempo yesterday, short ride with openers today. hopefully tuning the body to race tomorrow. chain feels bad in the big ring but i can worry about that later because i won't be using it much.

current status: attempting to deceive myself that this isn't just a faulty reading in my sprint and i did in fact set a new 1 sec MMP.
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They blips sometimes, but that looks like a real number. Blips tend to be ridiculous numbers.
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Originally Posted by Doge
They blips sometimes, but that looks like a real number. Blips tend to be ridiculous numbers.
you mean my 3,000 watts wasn't real?
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1-2 more days of off season then back to structured work. Yay, only gained like a pound if that but I feel soft.
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yeah, i dont get spikes very often but usually its really obvious like 1.5x my max power when i wasn't even attempting to sprint.
975W is about 10% higher than i've hit before which makes me suspicious, but it was during an attempted sprint and don't try to sprint very often so its a gray area.

it seems like 5s power is more useful to track, but 'because big numbers' (relative) its still fun to see 1s power.
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Originally Posted by hack
you mean my 3,000 watts wasn't real?
beats my 2200.. spike from my wahoo kickr when I had a defective one.. it did feel like I was going up a 60% grade though.
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I tend to think spikes within 200% are just timing the pulses right, so I don't see it so much as an equipment malfunction. I have a number (<.1%) of power spikes 10,000W+ - which I have no explication for. Then my son had a transport 50miles mid ride. But that was in New Mexico so it may have been aliens.
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Originally Posted by scheibo
yeah, i dont get spikes very often but usually its really obvious like 1.5x my max power when i wasn't even attempting to sprint.
975W is about 10% higher than i've hit before which makes me suspicious, but it was during an attempted sprint and don't try to sprint very often so its a gray area.

it seems like 5s power is more useful to track, but 'because big numbers' (relative) its still fun to see 1s power.
1" power is not terribly meaningful because it can be based on a fraction of a revolution. i wouldn't pay too much attention to it. (even 5" numbers can be artificially inflated depending on which head unit you are using and how they handle when a user abruptly stops pedaling. some of them repeat the last-received value 3x, which is a big deal in a 5" span.

in the past week i've had 3 people talk to me about how their accelerometer-based meters are exhibiting some 1" anomalies--power when they are coasting but hit a bump, that sort of thing. happens less when a magnet is on the bike.
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what numbers are best to focus on if trying to improve ones sprint?
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Sprint, or sprint to finish off a race?

Two different things.
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Originally Posted by scheibo
what numbers are best to focus on if trying to improve ones sprint?
5,4,3,2,1 blast off, aka, timing and positioning
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1:40ish at usual endurance pace with 9 accelerations around 550-650w to start waking the legs back up.
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Originally Posted by scheibo
what numbers are best to focus on if trying to improve ones sprint?

My 2c: you can't really focus on numbers to improve your sprint. You can improve your sprint power by doing sprints, and sprint-like exercises on and off the bike. But so much of successful sprinting is about timing, positioning, patience, form, and mental commitment, none of which can be represented by a number.
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2nd day in a row where I rode 1x60min @ sweet spot, plus another 30 at endurance 100tss total. feeling great
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today was the race that broke me. i've been racing pretty regularly since april and am just friggin tired. signed up for two more cx races but at this point i'm just going through the motions.
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At least you could drive to it, so there's that.
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Originally Posted by scheibo
what numbers are best to focus on if trying to improve ones sprint?
it looks like some other replies might have taken 'focus on #s ' a bit literally.

what length are your practice sprints?

aside from all the non-power-related stuff for sprinting, i'd focus on doing repeats of 10-12" where you shift once, or maybe twice, but only after you wind out the gear.

afterwards, you can worry about analyzing all the data (and even then i wouldn't focus on 1", ever...and i'd ONLY pay attention to 5" when i made sure the raw data was not repeating 3" of the last # transmitted, as referenced earlier). i'll tend to look more at that 10-12" power. if those are done to exhaustion you can then see your maximum sprints and your repeatability, and you can figure out if you're fading at 8", 9" or 11".

IMO max power is nice, but when looking at athletes' data i care much more about acceleration and how long they can keep accelerating before they top out. that's a bigger determinant of knowing how far from the line they can jump and hold it, and contributes to more results.

if you sprint for 12" but achieve your max power in 3" and fade, as a coach that tells me that we may need to work on different things than someone who takes longer to hit their max but, perhaps, has a lower max.

of course, tactics, position on the bike, position in the pack, gearing, yadda yadda.....
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Originally Posted by mike868y
today was the race that broke me. i've been racing pretty regularly since april and am just friggin tired. signed up for two more cx races but at this point i'm just going through the motions.
nothing like making sure you are REALLY finished off, eh?

i just had my last CX race of the year, and i feel like it was my best one. in some senses i'm sad it is over (weather was unseasonably nice, which helped), but i'm also glad for the change of seasons. i may be racing on skis in 2 weeks.

last saturday came closer than i have all season to beating a racer i respect, and this weekend i caught and passed him after 3 laps into a 7-lap race. he followed me for 3 laps. i could not break him, though. on the final lap i was unable to isolate him on the power section/headwind, and he got around me in the barriers that were 2' from the finish. finished a few seconds behind him. chapeau.

we actually had a really fun battle for 1/2 the race. i exploited my strengths and then went tape to tape to negate his. (nothing unsportsmanlike.) i even went through the internal dialogue when i was deep in the race, lungs burning, legs aching -- reminding myself that that was EXACTLY the time to go even harder.

final lap was the same time as my first lap. i'll get him next year.
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