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Old 05-13-16, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by globecanvas
BTW TKP Newman said you "rode like a stud" the other night in the midst of what sounded like a somewhat frustratingly diverse set of abilities. Meaning, you went fast at the right time and not at the wrong time.
I didn't want to be a jerk but I also needed to flog myself a bit for some TSS; I forgot my shoes so I had to drive back here to pick them up, which meant I didn't get pre group ride volume in. My intent was to try and snag Mohonk west from Hoover, but it will have to wait for another day...
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Old 05-13-16, 04:12 PM
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I make that just under 5.5 w/kg for 9 minutes. Good luck. A helpful wind would be very helpful.
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Originally Posted by globecanvas
I make that just under 5.5 w/kg for 9 minutes. Good luck. A helpful wind would be very helpful.
Miller hill was 5.5 for ~8min and I grabbed that back in October, and I'm way stronger than then so it *should* be within my current capabilities, but I am positive he's also gotten a lot stronger and will make a point to smash the **** out of whatever time I post, assuming I actually can even grab it.

Talking mountain KOMs is like the exact opposite of crit stuff!
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What Trump called Cruz a while back.
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I appreciate all you more experienced guys input, really helps me out learning new tactics and skills to apply for cycling in the feature.
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My first recommendation is that you go join USA Cycling https://www.usacycling.org/myusac/in...pagename=login .
Then poke around there.
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My advice is remember you're not on the bike path. My first race there was a guy on my left who wanted to move up and there was just enough room between the guy in front him (slightly to his right) and the yellow line. So what does he do? "On your left!". Guy in front looks back and says "nope" and blocked him. Guy behind was pissed. I'm proud to say I held my line even with the facepalm.
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Originally Posted by therhodeo
My advice is remember you're not on the bike path. My first race there was a guy on my left who wanted to move up and there was just enough room between the guy in front him (slightly to his right) and the yellow line. So what does he do? "On your left!". Guy in front looks back and says "nope" and blocked him. Guy behind was pissed. I'm proud to say I held my line even with the facepalm.
I had a guy a week or 2 ago try pointing to the small gap in front of me like he wanted to move in. So I closed it. He didn't like that
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i mean if it's anytime besides the last couple of laps i'd probably let the guy in line.
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Heh. Yeah. I guess it doesn't hurt to ask, but don't expect anyone to just give you a spot. The thing that gets my goat are the guys who yell "inside!" in the corners. If there's room and it's not a hazardous move, go for it, but no one in front of you owes you a spot just cause you asked for it. When asked, the yellers will say they "just wanted [you] to know I was there." Funny how it doesn't occur to them I might know, but not care. That kind of goofy chatter is greatly diminished in 3 races and non-existent in 1/2/3. If some dope wants to divebomb a corner, they just do it. No pretense of concern for safety. I prefer it that way. Still. I'm with mikey, if it's not a critical moment and someone wants in, why not?
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Originally Posted by grolby
I'm with mikey, if it's not a critical moment and someone wants in, why not?
If I had been further back I probably would have..but less than a wheel between me and the guy in front. I don't see a reason to completely let off and drop out of the draft just to let someone in
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Like I said, doesn't hurt for the guy to ask and you've got no obligation to let him in. That said, I don't see how getting less draft for the couple seconds it takes him to fill the gap does you any harm, especially since you weren't 100% committed to that draft in the first place. But maybe it's the principle of the thing.

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i mean, you're not making any friends racing like that and you never know when you'll be the guy stuck in the wind.
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Originally Posted by mike868y
i mean, you're not making any friends racing like that and you never know when you'll be the guy stuck in the wind.
Ding ding ding.
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yeah i uh would say the answer is 'it depends' on a whole host of issues and pose several counter examples

like who you're following (I want to be behind THIS guy), when it is in the race, how hard the race is and the likelihood of you moving back up (every guy someone let's in is one place further back you are), are splits occurring due to wind, attrition, course features, who it is (I really don't want to be anywhere near this guy), and if you're comfortable giving guys around you the impression you're the guy who will move off at crunch time, because I promise you someone is noting that with a lap to go, 1/2 lap to go you're the guy people are going to come in on you.

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Old 05-16-16, 09:27 AM
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This is all kind of 200 level stuff. For your first race, try to not be scared of everyone else, and try not to be a jerk. The rest will come with experience.
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Yeah, my first race I was too scared to actually get into the draft even though I recognized it was much easier in the draft. Keep your nerve and pay attention and the rest comes with time.
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
yeah i uh would say the answer is 'it depends'
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Originally Posted by globecanvas
This is all kind of 200 level stuff. For your first race, try to not be scared of everyone else, and try not to be a jerk. The rest will come with experience.
I had not seen the OP has registered yet on USA Cycling on a name search, which is why that was my recommendation above. Maybe OP needs a result before USAC yields a search result.
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or maybe he didn't use his real name as his username because he didn't want creeps looking up his information
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I read that as crepes. I should probably eat lunch.
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or maybe he didn't use his real name as his username because he didn't want creeps looking up his information
Oh, I thought if someone spelled out their name in the body of a post - there was a reason for it. Otherwise, why not just go with the Avatar?
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@Nicholas_Landy. I did look you up in Facebook based on the information you posted publicly here, and there...
Everybody has to learn someplace - but you look like a road racer. You may want to focus on group rides and then finding a road race.
Doing crits is great learning, but likely won't maximize you fitness, build, composition. Get into races with hills and hopefully not overly technical to start.
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Nothing (in my limited opinion) will help your bike handling like racing crits. Yeah they might be more 'dangerous' than a road race, in that there's possibly more likely to be at least one crash in a crit. However, my experience (this includes watching, not just racing) has been that there are lots of crashes in road races too, and that when there's a crash, they tend to be worse in road races. Crit crashes tend to happen in or around corners, when speed is lower. Also, I've noticed that many road race crashes happen when a little contact happens that, had they been experience crit races, wouldn't have led to a crash in the first place. The sort of bumping you can get used to (and stay upright) in crits often causes road racers (who aren't used to bumping) to panic, leading to crashes.

So there are risks of crit racing, but also huge benefits. I'm a much safer rider because I race crits regularly.
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