Dr. Paul Dimeo off USA Cycling Anti-Dope
06-09-16, 01:24 PM
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It extends beyond employment. I do not and did not feel welcomed to give direct input as long as my kid is up for selection by that organization. I expect those that benefit from USAC may feel similar.
06-09-16, 02:24 PM
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Here's Dimeobro's take on the thing Opinion: Issues faced by critical academics in anti-doping | Sports Integrity Initiative
This is a [snipped] quote from that link that is close to my thinking:
"We now live in a world of technology, commerce and performance, where drugs could be safely used for recovery and performance if only the rules were relaxed’....
clean sport is a construction that has developed over time without pause for reflection on how the wider world has changed. People can access drugs more easily, can learn about them in an instant on the internet, and sport has become much more scientific. The ideal of the natural athlete is an anachronism. Meanwhile, testing has not stopped athletes from doping. Given these circumstances, alongside the cases of relatively innocent athletes being sanctioned, maybe there is a better way of approaching all this."
06-10-16, 01:59 AM
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enjoy these days. you don't realize how easy you have it until your kids hit the next stage of childhood.....like changing diapers that are not the result of eating solid food and essentially total immobility.
i mean it sincerely: there will be a last time for everything, and you might miss those times when they're gone -- even the stuff you cannot imagine you'd ever miss.
i mean it sincerely: there will be a last time for everything, and you might miss those times when they're gone -- even the stuff you cannot imagine you'd ever miss.
06-10-16, 10:17 AM
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When I stated racing I had no idea there was even a list of stuff I couldn't take. All you Cat5's intimitely familiar with the WADA code raise your hand....
The drug testing in cycling was originally because of health concerns. See Simpson, Tom. Now it's morphed into some morality play where people with a giant staff of doctors, nutritionists, coaches, and aerodynamisists sitting in hyperbaric buses with individually designed seats riding racer specific custom frames competing against people who are eating ramen in a broken down school bus is considered "fair" but if you have 1 part per trillion of some barely productive product in your bloodstream from tainted meat you're a giant cheating ***hole.
And Cat5's have to play along.
Dimeo didn't get shot because he had an opinion. Dimeo got shot because he threatened a lot of people's jobs in the doping industrial complex with that crazy talk. He was Martin Luther nailing those sheets of paper on the door of the church pointing out that the church had strayed from it's core theology.
If his comments were that there were 50 additional items that should be on the banned list, people would be lining him up to replace Tygart.
The drug testing in cycling was originally because of health concerns. See Simpson, Tom. Now it's morphed into some morality play where people with a giant staff of doctors, nutritionists, coaches, and aerodynamisists sitting in hyperbaric buses with individually designed seats riding racer specific custom frames competing against people who are eating ramen in a broken down school bus is considered "fair" but if you have 1 part per trillion of some barely productive product in your bloodstream from tainted meat you're a giant cheating ***hole.
And Cat5's have to play along.
Dimeo didn't get shot because he had an opinion. Dimeo got shot because he threatened a lot of people's jobs in the doping industrial complex with that crazy talk. He was Martin Luther nailing those sheets of paper on the door of the church pointing out that the church had strayed from it's core theology.
If his comments were that there were 50 additional items that should be on the banned list, people would be lining him up to replace Tygart.
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enjoy these days. you don't realize how easy you have it until your kids hit the next stage of childhood.....like changing diapers that are not the result of eating solid food and essentially total immobility.
i mean it sincerely: there will be a last time for everything, and you might miss those times when they're gone -- even the stuff you cannot imagine you'd ever miss.
i mean it sincerely: there will be a last time for everything, and you might miss those times when they're gone -- even the stuff you cannot imagine you'd ever miss.
Maybe we're not good at it. I certainly feel like I am not good at it, quick to anger, poor to cope with sleep dep, depressed af from having lost my feelings of competence at work, at home, and on the bike. I think I've heard from everyone with twins how it goes and am trying to hang in there, but you telling me it only gets worse is appreciated.
06-10-16, 10:52 AM
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When I stated racing I had no idea there was even a list of stuff I couldn't take. All you Cat5's intimitely familiar with the WADA code raise your hand....
The drug testing in cycling was originally because of health concerns. See Simpson, Tom. Now it's morphed into some morality play where people with a giant staff of doctors, nutritionists, coaches, and aerodynamisists sitting in hyperbaric buses with individually designed seats riding racer specific custom frames competing against people who are eating ramen in a broken down school bus is considered "fair" but if you have 1 part per trillion of some barely productive product in your bloodstream from tainted meat you're a giant cheating ***hole.
And Cat5's have to play along.
Dimeo didn't get shot because he had an opinion. Dimeo got shot because he threatened a lot of people's jobs in the doping industrial complex with that crazy talk. He was Martin Luther nailing those sheets of paper on the door of the church pointing out that the church had strayed from it's core theology.
If his comments were that there were 50 additional items that should be on the banned list, people would be lining him up to replace Tygart.
The drug testing in cycling was originally because of health concerns. See Simpson, Tom. Now it's morphed into some morality play where people with a giant staff of doctors, nutritionists, coaches, and aerodynamisists sitting in hyperbaric buses with individually designed seats riding racer specific custom frames competing against people who are eating ramen in a broken down school bus is considered "fair" but if you have 1 part per trillion of some barely productive product in your bloodstream from tainted meat you're a giant cheating ***hole.
And Cat5's have to play along.
Dimeo didn't get shot because he had an opinion. Dimeo got shot because he threatened a lot of people's jobs in the doping industrial complex with that crazy talk. He was Martin Luther nailing those sheets of paper on the door of the church pointing out that the church had strayed from it's core theology.
If his comments were that there were 50 additional items that should be on the banned list, people would be lining him up to replace Tygart.
06-10-16, 11:09 AM
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And that statistic should give you at least a glimmer of hope that you won't go down with the ultimate parenting "fail" on your permanent record.
Hang in there (chuckle).
06-10-16, 11:14 AM
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unless you've experienced 8 weeks of 2-3 hour feeding windows as two babies both shoot up the %-size charts, from bottom 10% to now >50%, it's hard to describe. My wife and I both break down crying every third day or so, and that's with some night nanny help and a day nanny (who started the day I returned to work, so my wife is stuck in the same routine as it has been).
Maybe we're not good at it. I certainly feel like I am not good at it, quick to anger, poor to cope with sleep dep, depressed af from having lost my feelings of competence at work, at home, and on the bike. I think I've heard from everyone with twins how it goes and am trying to hang in there, but you telling me it only gets worse is appreciated.
Maybe we're not good at it. I certainly feel like I am not good at it, quick to anger, poor to cope with sleep dep, depressed af from having lost my feelings of competence at work, at home, and on the bike. I think I've heard from everyone with twins how it goes and am trying to hang in there, but you telling me it only gets worse is appreciated.
you weren't a good bike racers when you started, either; you get better with practice.
the real issue is sleep deprivation. that should get better in time. some people get pretty lucky with that, and i hope your kids are among them.
i don't view it as a competition of 1 kid vs twins vs quintuplets....if you're only sleeping in 2-hour spurts and getting woken up abruptly, it's torture. i think it's why nature makes us most fertile when we're young -- like when you were 21 and could stay up and party 5 nights in a row with no consequence.
it wasn't until i had a kid that i realized how effective those methods are in guantanamo. i'll tell you everything...just let me sleep!
good luck!
06-10-16, 11:24 AM
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The level of testing for Cat 5s isn't such that I'm terribly worried about them.
It's perfectly reasonable to point out that many elements of our current anti-doping code are overly burdensome for many amateur athletes. I'm not 100% certain I agree, but I also don't have health problems that might require or benefit from treatment with substances banned from competition. While it seems that this may have been at least part of the point that Dr. Dimeo was making with the comments that landed him in hot water, it didn't come across that way, even accounting for journalistic sensationalism.
It's perfectly reasonable to point out that many elements of our current anti-doping code are overly burdensome for many amateur athletes. I'm not 100% certain I agree, but I also don't have health problems that might require or benefit from treatment with substances banned from competition. While it seems that this may have been at least part of the point that Dr. Dimeo was making with the comments that landed him in hot water, it didn't come across that way, even accounting for journalistic sensationalism.
06-10-16, 11:31 AM
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On the baby stuff. OT, but whatever. I don't tend to go around blabbing about this simply cause for me it's a boring fact of life, but I'm a quadruplet. One of four. I understand it was pretty difficult and my parents probably would have been buried without the help they got. You all are probably getting less help than they did because, for better or worse, twins aren't seen as being novel in the same way that larger sets of multiples are. But obviously one baby is a lot of work, so doubling that workload is going to be pretty brutal. Anyway, I'm not telling you this because I want you to know it could be worse, but to point out that by the time I was old enough to have memories of them my parents seemed pretty well-adjusted and happy and glad to have us around, all things considered. Which isn't to say it was easy for them to deal with tracking four kids and that we didn't make a simple trip to the grocery store an operation on the level of D-Day, but life was mostly good and we were all pretty happy and had good family times together. There's a light at the end of the tunnel.
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When I stated racing I had no idea there was even a list of stuff I couldn't take. All you Cat5's intimitely familiar with the WADA code raise your hand....
The drug testing in cycling was originally because of health concerns. See Simpson, Tom. Now it's morphed into some morality play where people with a giant staff of doctors, nutritionists, coaches, and aerodynamisists sitting in hyperbaric buses with individually designed seats riding racer specific custom frames competing against people who are eating ramen in a broken down school bus is considered "fair" but if you have 1 part per trillion of some barely productive product in your bloodstream from tainted meat you're a giant cheating ***hole.
And Cat5's have to play along.
Dimeo didn't get shot because he had an opinion. Dimeo got shot because he threatened a lot of people's jobs in the doping industrial complex with that crazy talk. He was Martin Luther nailing those sheets of paper on the door of the church pointing out that the church had strayed from it's core theology.
If his comments were that there were 50 additional items that should be on the banned list, people would be lining him up to replace Tygart.
The drug testing in cycling was originally because of health concerns. See Simpson, Tom. Now it's morphed into some morality play where people with a giant staff of doctors, nutritionists, coaches, and aerodynamisists sitting in hyperbaric buses with individually designed seats riding racer specific custom frames competing against people who are eating ramen in a broken down school bus is considered "fair" but if you have 1 part per trillion of some barely productive product in your bloodstream from tainted meat you're a giant cheating ***hole.
And Cat5's have to play along.
Dimeo didn't get shot because he had an opinion. Dimeo got shot because he threatened a lot of people's jobs in the doping industrial complex with that crazy talk. He was Martin Luther nailing those sheets of paper on the door of the church pointing out that the church had strayed from it's core theology.
If his comments were that there were 50 additional items that should be on the banned list, people would be lining him up to replace Tygart.
I am reminded of your story about racing with a guy with a colostomy bag. You had no idea what drugs he was on, but you were glad he was there. Amen.
Amongst my 50+ frenemies, I know guys that have survived cancer, are asthmatic, that have pacemakers, new knees, new hips, are on blood thinners, are anemic, have no kneecaps, and that's just off the top of my head. I think there are two known 50/4 guys who have perfect health histories, and the rest all have the scars of time. And we have trouble scraping up enough bodies to make racing interesting. So yeah, the more I think about it, the less I'm worried about "cheats". And that's even with widespread suspicion that 10+% of the field is doping, and that FTP's are higher than ever.
I'd rather there was an effective "no ********" policy than a "no drugs" policy. (Of course there might be significant overlap between these groups.)
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06-10-16, 12:28 PM
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@Racer Ex - well written. I don't think ignorance of the WADA list is a Cat 5 thing alone.
It is pretty common for elite cyclists, especially road racers to take supplements. That most GNC/CVS type supplements are mixes and cocktails and it is difficult to just get something un-mixed - like just protein powder, makes me think:
-Nobody buying that stuff cares about a list
-the risk of taking something banned is high
-Mitigating the risk by comparing every ingredient, to the list is too much work for someone that just wants to ride circles on the weekend.
It is pretty common for elite cyclists, especially road racers to take supplements. That most GNC/CVS type supplements are mixes and cocktails and it is difficult to just get something un-mixed - like just protein powder, makes me think:
-Nobody buying that stuff cares about a list
-the risk of taking something banned is high
-Mitigating the risk by comparing every ingredient, to the list is too much work for someone that just wants to ride circles on the weekend.
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unless you've experienced 8 weeks of 2-3 hour feeding windows as two babies both shoot up the %-size charts, from bottom 10% to now >50%, it's hard to describe. My wife and I both break down crying every third day or so, and that's with some night nanny help and a day nanny (who started the day I returned to work, so my wife is stuck in the same routine as it has been).
Maybe we're not good at it. I certainly feel like I am not good at it, quick to anger, poor to cope with sleep dep, depressed af from having lost my feelings of competence at work, at home, and on the bike. I think I've heard from everyone with twins how it goes and am trying to hang in there, but you telling me it only gets worse is appreciated.
Maybe we're not good at it. I certainly feel like I am not good at it, quick to anger, poor to cope with sleep dep, depressed af from having lost my feelings of competence at work, at home, and on the bike. I think I've heard from everyone with twins how it goes and am trying to hang in there, but you telling me it only gets worse is appreciated.
I've been there! And it does get better. But it gets better incrementally, like a frog in boiling water that gradually cools down, so you don't notice it getting better until one day you say to your wife "wait, when did they start sleeping through the night?"
Also you should set the bar for "success" as low as possible, like surviving without obvious physical or psychological trauma.
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On the baby stuff. OT, but whatever. I don't tend to go around blabbing about this simply cause for me it's a boring fact of life, but I'm a quadruplet. One of four. I understand it was pretty difficult and my parents probably would have been buried without the help they got. You all are probably getting less help than they did because, for better or worse, twins aren't seen as being novel in the same way that larger sets of multiples are. But obviously one baby is a lot of work, so doubling that workload is going to be pretty brutal. Anyway, I'm not telling you this because I want you to know it could be worse, but to point out that by the time I was old enough to have memories of them my parents seemed pretty well-adjusted and happy and glad to have us around, all things considered. Which isn't to say it was easy for them to deal with tracking four kids and that we didn't make a simple trip to the grocery store an operation on the level of D-Day, but life was mostly good and we were all pretty happy and had good family times together. There's a light at the end of the tunnel.
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