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Just wondering if anyone is using these, and if so what are your thoughts?

tetonrider

yes. seems ok for the more macro stuff. seems like a few temporal issues in terms of tracking shorter efforts.

easy to install (huge plus over the vector).

not sure about longevity -- not really proven yet in that regard.p

balance continues to be more a novelty than anything else, but i'm using it for someone who had a major issue and has good enervation but poor recruitment without feedback; for that, balance is great.

topflightpro

Hunter Allen is a huge fan.

With regards to longevity, I would assume they should be pretty good. PowerTap hubs have proven pretty durable over the years.

As far as balance goes, there are some new analytics in WKO for using balance - I sat through a webinar to learn more a couple months ago, but I can't honestly remember what the bottom line was.

PepeM

I know someone who is on his third set within a year. Just one case of course and even knowing that I would probably still buy some if I could afford them.

Doge

3 cases - maybe 2.

PepeM

Yes, you can count that as two separate failures.

tetonrider

the bottom line is that most people are not perfectly balanced and it can vary based based on intensity; except in cases of recovery from injury there is no evidence to support that working to "improve" balance has a measurable effect on performance.

at least nothing has been proven to date.

it's a novelty for most people.

tetonrider

PT has had lots of issues in the past, but they are a stable company and their hubs have, by now, proven to have long-term durability and reliability.

that transfers *somewhat* to a new product, but every new product in the power arena needs to be validated. this isn't an iteration of an existing product. we hope they'll be solid, but i wouldn't be on it solely based on the company's reputation.

anecdotes are interesting, but they don't mean too much when taken alone.

the trivial installation is very appealing to many -- esp if they prove accurate & reliable.

Flatballer

When I researched this a few months ago (when I was riding a lot again, and dreaming of something better than my PT hub) I came to the conclusion that the V2 Vector was the better choice. Their installation has gotten much simpler, to the point they're almost comparable, they don't have teething problems anymore, they don't have any of the cornering clearance issues (however minor they may be).

I would look very, very seriously at the Vector before I bought the P1. Not least because the Vector is actually cheaper (or at least it was last I checked).

shmish

On the powertap.com/pages/pedals main page they show the price for the P1 to be $1199. Then if you click on the buy now button and go the P1 page the price is $1619. That's a pretty huge difference.

What are these pedals supposed to be priced at?

Flatballer

It should be $1199. It's showing that way on all the pages to me, as well as all other outlets that are selling it.

shmish

I know what happened. It picked up that I'm in Canada so on the buy page the pricing was adjusted.
thanks

Creakyknees

Yeah yeah cool and all... but will they drag when pedaling the last turn in a criterium?

dz_nuzz

I have a teammate who uses them and is also on set number 3 I believe. He still uses them and likes them. He has said that their turning clearance is not the great though. Then again he is more of a TTer / Road Racer at this point.

tetonrider

relevant.

pacalolo

Ordered a set on Black Friday. They're on back-order but I'm excitedly waiting for them to appear.

furiousferret

So what you're saying is I actually have an 1800 watt sprint? Sounds good.

On the real though P1's are probably my next pm buy. I have the Vector's, and despite the criticism (from mostly non users) they've served me well. That being said, I like that Powertap is actively looking to improve their product, even if it means short term criticism.

celticfrost

As a disclaimer, the P1s are my 1st PM and I'm not a huge numbers guy.

I bought the P1s about a year ago and am happy w/ them. I thought the swapping of the pedals from one bike to another might be a PIA, but that was because I used to do it so infrequently I would almost forget how to. After a few pedal swaps w/ the P1s (maybe about 1x a month), it's not a hassle at all. Calibration w/ my Edge 500 is a snap too. Perhaps the best thing is that it's basically required me to due some sort of helpful analytics through Training Peaks -- though you could do that w/ any PM and training software(?).

The only thing I haven't been able to use it for, so far, are one-legged drills w/ my edge500 -- but i do those rarely. According to a chat w/ Powertap support, "...If you wish to do one leg drills and receive power information, you must pair the right pedal to the device separately using the Bluetooth signal. When paired using ANT+, the right pedals send information through the left pedal. Therefore, if you are not pedaling the left pedal, it is not transmitting information..." If you have an iOS device this can be accomplished through their "PowerTap" app. I have Android, so will have to try something different if i really get concerned about one-legged drills.

Re. the clearance -- I would think it would only be a potential issue in hard cornering crits. Though I'm not sure if one always has to have a PM for racing a 40-60 minute crit -- then, again I'm not a huge numbers guy.

A **TON** of more info if you google the P1's and go to DCRainmaker's site from there.

Overall, for a guy w/ limited patience when it comes to technology, I'm happy w/ the reliability and ease of use of the P1's.

tetonrider

...as long as you don't care about accuracy for short durations and/or the fact that constant power will be reported differently based on cadence.

not everyone does care about that.

revchuck 

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I use power for one-legged drills, but only because they're done on a bike that has a PM. For what kind of one-legged drills is power useful? (Question, not snark.)
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mattm

I thought one-leg drills were more about form, not power.

revchuck 

Me too, hence my question.

tetonrider

i'm not sure they've been proven to be of any real-world use (with or without power), unless there is some serious issue going on.

topflightpro

I have used one-legged drills for several years now. I do them to improve form and muscle engagement - basically working to get my glutes and hamstrings more involved and put less strain on my quads, thereby easing the strain on my patella. It was work prescribed to my by my PT after I messed up my knee. (He is a cyclist and actually had me bring my bike in for one of my sessions so he could evaluate me on the bike.)

When I do them, I never really look at power.

celticfrost

I've done one-legged drills a grand total of about 5 minutes, but when I did them using the p1 pedals (and my edge 500) I noticed only the left legged drills showed power. That is unless the p1's are paired via a bluetooth enabled device.

Just more of an FYI for anyone looking at the p1s.

Maybe I'll dig out my work iphone (that i've never used in 3 years) and do the bluetooth pairing for "fun" this weekend.