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Old 06-11-05, 10:01 AM
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Trash talking encouraged.

Pettachi out, says he's too tired after "hardest Giro in 10 years"

Will Cunego recover from Mono? how did he get it?

Will Horner do well in enough in the Tour de Suisse to make the TdF squad?

Where is Iban Mayo?

Will der Kaiser be a contender?

Looks like Levi will get 3rd in the Dauphine, so he is riding strong, Vino is one tough bastard as usual,

Will Lance's luck run out, will he get caught behind a crash?, can he stay healthy? Will he test positive?

Man, I'm going to miss Virenque...

you know if LA gets 7, I don't think that will EVER be equaled, and I ain't no '99er either....

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Good one, Gustaf.

Mine:

1. Moreau
2. Sella
3. Moncoutie
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1.) McCartney
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Originally Posted by Smoothie104
Trash talking encouraged.

Pettachi out, says he's too tired after "hardest Giro in 10 years"

Will Cunego recover from Mono? how did he get it?

Will Horner do well in enough in the Tour de Suisse to make the TdF squad?

Where is Iban Mayo?

Will der Kaiser be a contender?

Looks like Levi will get 3rd in the Dauphine, so he is riding strong, Vino is one tough bastard as usual,

Will Lance's luck run out, will he get caught behind a crash?, can he stay healthy? Will he test positive?

Man, I'm going to miss Virenque...

you know if LA gets 7, I don't think that will EVER be equaled, and I ain't no '99er either....

I agree with Pittachi I'm thinking he might miss the tour also.

Cunego contracted Mono durring the Giro and this will keep him out of contention (allthough from Simoni's reactions after the Giro I have to wonder about Cunego's form)

Horner is 50-50 for the Tour.

Iban is doing the Tour de Swiss and he ain't a GC player anyway.

Jan is not going to win. Why? Because he doesn't have a team that totally dedicated to getting him the GC.

Levi could podium but I doubt he's got the team to get him the overall...unless.....

Lance has any of the above mentioned problems, otherwise it's down to LA and Basso.

Now on to your dear Richard....well what can I say? I think he was the worste KOM representive you could ever mention. All this guy did was go out on long breaks and rack up points. When it came time to try to hang with the real climbers he got dropped. In my view the KOM should go to someone who can actually climb, not to some oportunist who basically stole points when no one else was looking. This guy couldn't hang with Jan, Lance or Basso last year and none of them are true climbers. Christ he couldn't drop Christophe Moroue (sp) last year.
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You guys are forgetting about Basso!
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You guys are forgetting about Basso!

Agree.. he seems to be laying low but for the histronics of the couple of stages in the giro he won towards the end.. CSC looks strong..
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Old 06-11-05, 05:38 PM
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Thomas Voekler will assume the role of designated French breakaway man on Bastille Day and snatch the maillot pois. The French will rally behind him and urge him on to keep the maillot pois for ten days or longer as they did when he secured the maillot jaune last year. It won't be the same but it will be...different?

I guess Basso it the great Italian hope this year. No Petacchi. Likely no Cunego. Oh well.

Let's talk about BOONEN! It's been a while since we've seen him dashing around the countrysides of Belgium and northern France. I hope this guy rocks out and wins the maillot vert. Particularly since Petacchi isn't even racing. Gotta have someone give McEwen a fight. Should be pitched this year!

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1. Lance
2. Jan
3. Levi
I'm predicting 2 Americans on the podium. Of course I dont have a good track record for the grand tours. I have done lousy at predicting the winner of the Giro and the Vuelta. The only reason I have done so well at the TDF is that I always pick Lance. I dont know what I'm going to do next year, maybe I will pick Cipollini!
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Originally Posted by gcasillo
Thomas Voekler will assume the role of designated French breakaway man on Bastille Day and snatch the maillot pois. The French will rally behind him and urge him on to keep the maillot pois for ten days or longer as they did when he secured the maillot jaune last year. It won't be the same but it will be...different?

I guess Basso it the great Italian hope this year. No Petacchi. Likely no Cunego. Oh well.

Let's talk about BOONEN! It's been a while since we've seen him dashing around the countrysides of Belgium and northern France. I hope this guy rocks out and wins the maillot vert. Particularly since Petacchi isn't even racing. Gotta have someone give McEwen a fight. Should be pitched this year!
Boonen takes the green jersey this year, that's my prediction. And I don't think it will be close.
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Here's my short list in no particular order.....

Basso(incredibly gifted and very dangerous)
Armstrong(enough said)
Landis(worth keeping an eye on)
Leipheimer(super strong!)
Ullrich(the natural)
Vinokourov(attack! attack! attack!)
Julich(the man can time trial!)
Kloden(save a place for him on the podium)
Botero(what is he on?)

others.....

Horner(a top 10 if he shows up?)
Mercado(this year's KOM. if he could TT he would be a GC man)
Boonen(how many stages will he let McCewen win?)
Beloki(perform or get a job at McDonald's next year)
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Old 06-11-05, 07:43 PM
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How is Valverde been riding? Is he on the tour squad?
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Valverde is currently doing the Tour de Suisse. I'm sure he'll be at the Tour
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Originally Posted by oneradtec
Here's my short list in no particular order.....

Basso(incredibly gifted and very dangerous)
Armstrong(enough said)
Landis(worth keeping an eye on)
Leipheimer(super strong!)
Ullrich(the natural)
Vinokourov(attack! attack! attack!)
Julich(the man can time trial!)
Kloden(save a place for him on the podium)
Botero(what is he on?)

others.....

Horner(a top 10 if he shows up?)
Mercado(this year's KOM. if he could TT he would be a GC man)
Boonen(how many stages will he let McCewen win?)
Beloki(perform or get a job at McDonald's next year)
Wha? Horner gets a top 10 if he shows up but Botero displays good form and he's on something? I'll leave the tactical nuclear strike to the Aussies who will undoubtedly want to comment on the Boonen/McEwen comment (though I think Boonen is the clear favorite).
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Old 06-11-05, 09:29 PM
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CSC is going to have a much stronger team this year...and should do much better in the team TT thanks to the presence of Zabriskie....along with Julich and Basso. The strong team makes Basso a serious threat again this year. Basso showed flashes of brilliance in the Giro. It seems that when he wasn't sick he could win whenever he wanted to. Julich, Basso and Zabriskie can flat out time trial....so CSC could very well win the team TT outright....although Lance, Hincapie, Popovych will have something to say about that. I think they lost alot in the team TT when Eki went down.
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I think horner will suffer with the length of the race, 3 weeks long. I dont know what kind of races he rode a few years ago when he was in europe, but I think a 3 week tour is going to be too long for him. especially to expect him to get top10. the mountains of france are way diff compared to the hills we have here. same deal with the course at worlds and at lombardia where he performed very well. i can think of so many other rides just off the top of my head who have the expirence and ability beat him in the mountains and likely the tt's.
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Old 06-12-05, 07:16 AM
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Has Horner done anything this season? I haven't followed him but I haven't heard his name either. Asking alot for him to do top 10 IMO.


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I agree that the length of the race might be Horner's undoing. Perhaps the Tour de Suisse will be good for preparing him for this? Plus he is coming off hard multi-day racing in the US with 3 hard races in a week with the Wachovia series. Horner also performed admirably in a Spanish stage race earlier in the year before his injury. Now he's doing the Tour de Suisse...which is long and hard with some tough mountains. That said..the Tour de Suisse is no Tour de France.

Something tells me that Horner's natural talent will come through to get him a good result. He seems very fit and fast coming out of Philly week...and the Tour de Suisse should take him to another level. It will be fun to watch. I am of the opinion that Chris is more naturally talented than 90% of the riders that will be in the Tour...so we'll see how it goes. I'm watching the Tour de Suisse very closely. he should be rising full gas in the TT today.
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Regarding Horner in the Tour... top 20 if he's lucky, I think.
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Valverde is slated fort he Tour this year. It will be his first as with Cunego so a top 20 would be a great finish for either of them.
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Chris Horner is a very good racer, but he just recently injured himself and is really not 100% yet. And he is one tough bastard so there is a chance he may shine somehow. But, you have to remember, as LA once said, everyone who races in the Tour is one tough bastard.
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Originally Posted by Devil
Regarding Horner in the Tour... top 20 if he's lucky, I think.
Horner will have to make the squad for the TdF first... Saunier Duval-Prodir has lots of guys to choose from that are as talented and more talented than Horner and more tested... what has Horner done this year to show that he even belongs on that TdF squad?? How is Horner with his big head going to deal with fetching water bottles and being a domestique... that's his big problem, he wants to walk right in without proving anything and be the big man.. as a DS i wouldn't bank my TdF on a completely untested quantity..

TdS update Horner... Horner 3.05 down to Ullrich in the first 36k time trial... Ullrich smoked to 1st place almost averaging 49k an hour but still, Horner's not a TdF contender lets get real here...
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Because Danielson didn't finish the Giro, do you guys think he will go to France?
I saw Levi interviewed on OLN today - man he is tiny., but he looked strong.
Hincapie will do well in the tour.
Der Kaiser will do well with or without a bleeding cold sore on his lip.
Lance is downplaying his condition in the Dauphine saying how strong the other guys were. I don't believe he would've won if it was given to him. I think he and Johan are just evaluating the team, seeing who is going to set up a strong paceline in the Tour. He did this last year downplaying his condition and how strong the other guys were.
Basso said his TT skills got better over the winter but the Giro disproved that.
1. LA
2.Ullrich
3.Levi or Julich
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Originally Posted by doctorSpoc
Horner will have to make the squad for the TdF first... Saunier Duval-Prodir has lots of guys to choose from that are as talented and more talented than Horner and more tested... what has Horner done this year to show that he even belongs on that TdF squad?? How is Horner with his big head going to deal with fetching water bottles and being a domestique... that's his big problem, he wants to walk right in without proving anything and be the big man.. as a DS i wouldn't bank my TdF on a completely untested quantity..

TdS update Horner... Horner 3.05 down to Ullrich in the first 36k time trial... Ullrich smoked to 1st place almost averaging 49k an hour but still, Horner's not a TdF contender lets get real here...
Agreed! Horner is not a contender for the TDF. Neither are 97% of the riders that will be in France. I still stand by my belief that he could 'possibly' do a top 10. I do think he is that talented. Let's see how he goes. It will be fun to watch. He did a very respectable time trial today...nothing extraordinary. He'll have several stages ahead in the Suisse tour to prove to his management that he deserves a place on the Tour squad....as there are some very mountainous stages to come. Agreed...Saunier Duval-Prodir has some very talented riders on that team...so getting selected will be tough.

hey! Beloki had a fairly good TT today. Nothing great...but respectable. That is quite an improvement over how he rode in the Giro. I wonder if his form is coming around? Again...mountains ahead...so we'll see.
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Originally Posted by oneradtec
...Beloki had a fairly good TT today. Nothing great...but respectable. That is quite an improvement over how he rode in the Giro. I wonder if his form is coming around? Again...mountains ahead...so we'll see.
yeah... wow... didn't see that.. that IS a pretty decent performance... feel really bad for that guy... such a great rider, i would love to see him back to the top of the sport again.
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