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Old 07-21-05, 06:26 PM
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Prospect Park Race Series this Sunday in NY

I just registed for my first race at the Kissena Prospect Park Race Series on Sundays & am completely excited.

From reading others accounts of the race on threads & what was available on Kissena's website, I have some idea of what to expect. A fast paced, short race with attacks on the hill, but still have a few questions:

Does anyone know the details for getting a license the day of the race?

How early do I need to show up?

Is there bag storage provided?

Any good websites related to the race other than Kissena's website?

Many thanks in advance
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Old 07-21-05, 09:04 PM
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Yes, you can buy a one day license. Speak to the USCF officials at the race. Show up 40 to 45 minutes before the race starting time. You need to wait on line to register, pinning your number, bathroom, and etc. Bag storage??? You will eventually see a big pile of bags near the registration table. Just drop off yours there and that's where most people drop off their bags. For other NYC races, check www.racelistings.com

Other race related sites:
http://www.nyvelocity.com/index.php
www.crca.com
http://www.nyvelocity.com/content.ph...204e664a3efa32
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Originally Posted by R600DuraAce
Yes, you can buy a one day license. Speak to the USCF officials at the race. Show up 40 to 45 minutes before the race starting time. You need to wait on line to register, pinning your number, bathroom, and etc. Bag storage??? You will eventually see a big pile of bags near the registration table. Just drop off yours there and that's where most people drop off their bags.
Only thing I'd change is to get there a little earlier than that. Let's say an hour to be on the safe side, so ~ 5.30 for the cat 5's. Just because the bathroom line and the registration lines (both normal and pre-reg) have been kind of long lately. And enjoy yourself. There will be a few forum members there (or at least Slvoid and myself, but I'll be in the 4's) so it's often a good opportunity to meet some fellow cyclists. As far as more info, I've got some stuff on my site that might be helpful, just some maps but it always helps to be prepared.
http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~dscholz/racing.htm
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Thanks for the great info R600DuraAce & daneil.

daneil--on the elevation map of prospect park & central park where do they both begin, as in does the map of prospect park start at the race start line? And for the one in Central Park, what hills are the bike spikes in eleveation? Im guessing one is Harlem Hill & another is the boathouse hill.

thanks again for the info. I am really excited.
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Originally Posted by The_Dude
Thanks for the great info R600DuraAce & daneil.

daneil--on the elevation map of prospect park & central park where do they both begin, as in does the map of prospect park start at the race start line? And for the one in Central Park, what hills are the bike spikes in eleveation? Im guessing one is Harlem Hill & another is the boathouse hill.

thanks again for the info. I am really excited.
I don't know about the CP map. I don't really spend much time there. Being from Brooklyn I spend more time in PP, 3rd ave and Shore Rd.

The PP elevation map starts at the GAP entrance to the park and runs counter clockwise.
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I live about 10 min away. So the last time, I literally woke up at 5:45 and got there and registered by 6:20. Honestly, my biggest fear is that a lot of people in cat 5 are starters and have little to no experience riding in a large pack.
Granted it's my 2nd race but I ride with the regulars in prospect park and they usually push cat 4 level efforts every single day in a group, so they're a lot more stable. The last time, I was forced into the bike lane multiple times and someone else was forced onto the grass.
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ah. gotcha. I'm the opposite, with a lot more Central Park riding than Prospect Park, since I use Central Park for my commute home.

So if the Prospect Park elevation map starts at Grand Army Plaza, then the race is going to start at the low point elevation wise & hit the main hill right from the get go, right?

Making an educated guess on the Central Park map, it appears to start near the E 72nd St Boathouse & the steep second climb would be Harlem Hill in the NW corner of the park.

Will most of the racers be riding top of the line carbon road bikes in full team kits or what? Will I be out of place riding my steel touring bike?
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Old 07-22-05, 10:04 AM
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slvoid- this is my first race & first competative group ride, so I hope not to be the beginner guy causing problems. From riding the 5 Boro bike tour, I think I have some idea of the antics inexperienced riders can cause & plan to avoid them. My goals are not to crash, not to cause any crashes, & get a little experience riding in a fast group.
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Originally Posted by The_Dude
So if the Prospect Park elevation map starts at Grand Army Plaza, then the race is going to start at the low point elevation wise & hit the main hill right from the get go, right?
Pretty much, yeah. The first few times up are pretty slow (18 mph) with people really going for breaks on the last two laps and pushing it on the climb. If you can really get away from the beginning of the climb and increase it during the climb you'll have a psychological advantage since the road turns sharply after the hill and you'll be out of sight. Out of sight = out of mind more often than not.

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Will most of the racers be riding top of the line carbon road bikes in full team kits or what? Will I be out of place riding my steel touring bike?
There will be a hodgepodge of bikes and kits there. Lots of high end carbon, al and steel as well as vintage steel and al (for some reason the old Vitus' have been popular this year). You really won't be out of place, even if you have DT's.

As far as teams there will be some guys for sure, but in the 5's team tactics are rare. There's a group of CRCA guys that ride tightly at the front and tend to work together, but other than that and the Miya Shoji guys the rest of the teams are pretty fragmented. Some BVF, some Kissena, and maybe a Colavita guy or two.
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Old 07-22-05, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by The_Dude
slvoid- this is my first race & first competative group ride, so I hope not to be the beginner guy causing problems. From riding the 5 Boro bike tour, I think I have some idea of the antics inexperienced riders can cause & plan to avoid them. My goals are not to crash, not to cause any crashes, & get a little experience riding in a fast group.
Some tips if I may:

Best advice for this is to not try and move up through the pack. Big problems a few weeks ago with that. A new guy kept trying to sprint up through the middle of the pack. Be aware and if you're going to try and move up move to the outside or be patient and wait for the paceline to form and move up that way. Also remember that it's your responsibility to keep an eye on where the racers are to the front, right and left of you not to the rear. If the rider to your right or left has their wheel ahead of yours and they want to move in let them, they have control of the line. Don't turn around, don't ride your brakes.
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Old 07-22-05, 01:31 PM
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Thanks for the tips, daneil. I was planning of sitting towards the rear on one of the sides & just try to get comfortable riding with a fast moving group & hope I don't get dropped on the hill. I'm not the strongest climber, so my biggest concern is an attack dropping me on the hill, but with the terrain after the hill I'm hoping that if I do get dropped I can catch up to the pack later. Only one way to find out, though.
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i'll add a bit of advice too: the pace will seem to surge at times. everyone will pedal fast then sit up and coast to take a breath and then surge ahead again. if you find the pace too fast, just try to hold on for a little while, because chances are in 30 seconds you'll be back on someone's wheel coasting for a few seconds. the surging is even more pronounced toward the back of the field. if you find yourself back there just try not to lose a wheel, it's pretty hard to get back on if you get dropped. good luck. i'll be there too.
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Old 07-22-05, 02:01 PM
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thanks for the advice, timmhaan. I'm going to give it everything I got to not be dropped.

Anyone else notice that they just changed this Sunday's race from 6 laps (20 miles) to 5 laps (17 miles)? Is this normal for them to change the distance of the race?
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Originally Posted by The_Dude
thanks for the advice, timmhaan. I'm going to give it everything I got to not be dropped.

Anyone else notice that they just changed this Sunday's race from 6 laps (20 miles) to 5 laps (17 miles)? Is this normal for them to change the distance of the race?
Did they? I thought that it was always 17 miles. As far as I can remember the Cat 5 PP races have been 5 laps/17 miles.

And don't try to hang near the back, try and stay towards the front. This is due to both safety (discussed ad naseum on this and every other board) and the fact that the surges are much more difficult to keep up with at the back. Due to the accordion effect it's harder to recover from a surge if you're spit out the back.

Hey to all interested in riding tonight I'll be in the park this evening doin laps from about 6-7.15ish loosening up for my ITT timing tomorrow. I'll be going easy on the hill and hammering on the flats on the west side. I'll be on the Black TCR Team and more likely than not in a green jersey.
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I am nearly positive it was 20 when I registered & the race on August 13th is listed as being 20 miles.

http://www.racelistings.com/register...yer.asp?ID=281

Going to have to pass on laps tonight, too damn hot today, but will be doing some laps tomorrow morning to get a little more familiar with Prospect Park, no idea what I will be wearing, but I ride a blue Novara touring bike w/ a TransAlt sticker.
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Originally Posted by timmhaan
i'll add a bit of advice too: the pace will seem to surge at times. everyone will pedal fast then sit up and coast to take a breath and then surge ahead again. if you find the pace too fast, just try to hold on for a little while, because chances are in 30 seconds you'll be back on someone's wheel coasting for a few seconds. the surging is even more pronounced toward the back of the field. if you find yourself back there just try not to lose a wheel, it's pretty hard to get back on if you get dropped. good luck. i'll be there too.
Speaking of pace, did you guys happen to see what happened in the Cat4 race last weekend? For some reason, (I think it was the 3rd or 4th lap maybe) the guys in the front of the pack just sat up and brought the pace down to an excruciatingly slow crawl - we went from 25-30+ to like 20mph!!! Many guys were yelling at those guys, but I keep wondering why that even happened. Any insights?

I wish I could post the video clip, but in the second to last lap in the 4's, the announcer called out the last lap and then said that our group looked like "the 5 borough bike tour" hahaha . Something was going on with these guys setting the pace...
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No one probably wanted to be in front for the final sprint...
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Yeah but this was lap 3 or 4 out of nine ...kinda strange. lol. Oh well, hopefully it won't happen this weekend
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I was there. I pulled out the race about 5 to go after I made couple of attacks as well as upping the tempo. I was just too tired to continue given that I have done too much training already last week. I tried to get away but the pack just won't let me go. The reason the pack slowed down a lot because there was no reason for them to up the tempo or attack. There was no break. Therefore, no chase. No one attacked since they figured that the pack will reel them in.


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Speaking of pace, did you guys happen to see what happened in the Cat4 race last weekend? For some reason, (I think it was the 3rd or 4th lap maybe) the guys in the front of the pack just sat up and brought the pace down to an excruciatingly slow crawl - we went from 25-30+ to like 20mph!!! Many guys were yelling at those guys, but I keep wondering why that even happened. Any insights?

I wish I could post the video clip, but in the second to last lap in the 4's, the announcer called out the last lap and then said that our group looked like "the 5 borough bike tour" hahaha . Something was going on with these guys setting the pace...
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Originally Posted by timmhaan
i'll add a bit of advice too: the pace will seem to surge at times. everyone will pedal fast then sit up and coast to take a breath and then surge ahead again. if you find the pace too fast, just try to hold on for a little while, because chances are in 30 seconds you'll be back on someone's wheel coasting for a few seconds. the surging is even more pronounced toward the back of the field. if you find yourself back there just try not to lose a wheel, it's pretty hard to get back on if you get dropped. good luck. i'll be there too.
This is great advice, very true. Also, when the front starts to break or surge don't wait or hesitate, you gotta go right there or risk losing a wheel. It is hell trying to bridge even 3 bike lengths when your heartrate is going through the roof.
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This is great advice, very true. Also, when the front starts to break or surge don't wait or hesitate, you gotta go right there or risk losing a wheel. It is hell trying to bridge even 3 bike lengths when your heartrate is going through the roof.
Well it's much easier if you're on meth. They don't do blood tests in cat 5 right?
OK, who's gonna be there with a bag of meth? Anyone? We should all hook up behind the first tree by the road to the left of the registration area.
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Well it's much easier if you're on meth. They don't do blood tests in cat 5 right?
OK, who's gonna be there with a bag of meth? Anyone? We should all hook up behind the first tree by the road to the left of the registration area.
Don't forget Slvoid, no ingestion of leftover Chinese lo mein surprise before race. Could you imagine blowing noodles on the guy next to you and he wrecks.
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Originally Posted by R600DuraAce
I was there. I pulled out the race about 5 to go after I made couple of attacks as well as upping the tempo. I was just too tired to continue given that I have done too much training already last week. I tried to get away but the pack just won't let me go. The reason the pack slowed down a lot because there was no reason for them to up the tempo or attack. There was no break. Therefore, no chase. No one attacked since they figured that the pack will reel them in.
Hey, yeah that definitely makes sense. I thought the pace was pretty high to start, but when those guys in the back were yelling, then I thought maybe something else was going on.
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Hey, yeah that definitely makes sense. I thought the pace was pretty high to start, but when those guys in the back were yelling, then I thought maybe something else was going on.

Hahahah.....yelling or whinning about the pace too slow??? Well, they should go up and up the tempo and launching couple of attacks.
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Originally Posted by daytonian
Don't forget Slvoid, no ingestion of leftover Chinese lo mein surprise before race. Could you imagine blowing noodles on the guy next to you and he wrecks.
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