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Madrid Worlds - Sprint or not?

Old 09-20-05, 06:40 PM
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Madrid Worlds - Sprint or not?

Seems that all of a sudden that 5% pitch has gotten a bit steeper. I took a look at it a few days ago, and even to Cat 4 me, it seemed big-ringable. But I guess the last few twists and turns (and a very narrow finish) have changed everyone's mind at the Vuelta finale that this is a tailor-made sprinter's course. What do you guys think? Group sprint or not?
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Tactically, Australia, Belgium and Italy should be trying to control if for a sprint where scrapper-doo McEwen will outgun the powerful Boonen and Petacchi because of the crazy 180 degree turn 500 meters out.

If those teams can not control it or take their chances on others like Bettini or O'Grady in a break, then I'll have to take a classics type guy that packs a sprint from a standstill. Either one of those guys or how about Valverde for the home team.

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I think Petacchi will kick ass.
 
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Pettachi's not going to have the lead out train that he lives on. That u-turn 600 meters before the finish is bad for him. This is a race for the likes of Boonen and McEwen. Or Bettini!
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Bettini is going pretty good now and doesn't necessarily need a long break away. He can handle himself in a bunch sprint and he can handle the bike. The 180 definitely works against Petacchi's style. If his train takes him into that, he could end up with a severe case of whiplash. But the course favors a McEwen type or an opportunist like Freire, but he won't be there.

Basically this is a flat course, and the race should end in a bunch sprint.
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Bettini is probably licking his chops for that final sprint. He would want it to stay together just as Petacchi does, but I wonder if he will jump and try to take it over Pettachi.
Boonen, I don't think has it against these guys. McEwen has a good shot I think but so does an opportunist that gaps it before the turnaround.

As with many WC's, it's going to be a freeforall. I predict a non-favorite to win because everyone (teammates included) will be marking the favorites and a rider w/ lower expectations can get a jump before or at the final sprint.

If it comes down to a straight finish line sprint, I pick AleJet or McEwen.
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Robbie's best chance ever......and the Aussie train has got some serious horsepower.
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After Bettini outlasted Petacchi in his stage win at the Vuelta, he made a comment to the effect that he was ready and looking forward to the Worlds. He could be the man for the Italians after all. Maybe even Di Luca? I'm just getting a feeling that Petacchi isn't going to get the a leadout he needs like Laggard says. Typical Italians. Outclass everybody but squander it with poor tactics.

Look for the Italians to try to put a lot of guys at the front going into that turn and for McEwen to sneak out from behind them for the W. Hushovd has been The Man all season long, and could win if McEwen can't find room to squirm through.

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Call me a sappy fan of the hometown hero, but I really wish the course had 100 or 200 meters of seriously sick (20%+) uphill. Madrid's right on top of a hill, so it's all pretty flat, but an uphill with just a ghost of a chance to break things open, and my money would be on Valverde. Even with the course as flat as it is, that guy, with the right breakaway companions (Bettini, Kirchen) could rip things wide open over the last few laps. That last u-turn (600 meters to go) will be a sight to see, and I plan to have my camera lens trained squarely upon it.
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Is Vinokourov competing? I'd like to see him and Valverde on a breakaway trying to hold off the closing peleton at the end.
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Originally Posted by USAZorro
Is Vinokourov competing? I'd like to see him and Valverde on a breakaway trying to hold off the closing peleton at the end.

Yes.


Australia Baden Cooke ((FdJ) - Allan Davis (Lsw) - Cadel Evans (Dvl) - Simon Gerrans (A2r) - Matthew Hayman (Rab) - Brett Lancaster (Pan) - Robbie McEwen (Dvl) - Michael Rogers (Qst) - Henk Vogels (Dvl)


Belgium
Mario Aerts (Dvl) - Tom Boonen (Qst) - Wilfried Cretskens (Qst) - Stijn Devolder (Dsc) - Philippe Gilbert (FdJ) - Björn Leukemans (Dvl) - Nick Nuyens (Qst) - Peter Van Petegem (Dvl) - Marc Wauters (Rab)


France Laurent Brochard (Btl) - Jimmy Casper (Cof) - Sylvain Chavanel (Cof) - Carlos Da Cruz (FdJ) - Anthony Geslin (Btl) - Christophe Kern (Btl) - Cédric Vasseur )Cof) - Christophe Le Mevel (C.A) - Jean-Patrick Nazon (A2r)
.

Germany Rolf Aldag (Tmo) - Markus Burghardt (Tmo) - Robert Förster (Gst) - Markus Fothen (Gst) - Jörg Jaksche (Lsw) - Andreas Klier (Tmo) - Sebastian Lang (Gst) - Jens Voigt (Csc) - Fabian Wegmann (Gst) -
Erik Zabel (Tmo) - Thomas Ziegler (Gst)
German champion Gerald Ciolek (Win) starts with the Under 23 riders


Italy For sure: Paolo Bettini (Qst) and Alessandro Petacchi (Fas) -
other candidates: Lorenzo Bernucci (Fas) - Matteo Tosatto (Fas) - Marco Velo (Fas) for the "Petacchi train"
Further candidates: Alessandro Ballan (Lam) - Daniele Bennati (Lam), Davide Bramati (Qst) - Giovanni Lombardi (Csc), Luca Paolini (Qst) and Filippo Pozzato (Qst)
Kazakhstan Alexander Vinokourov (Tmo) - Sergey Yakovlev (Tmo) - Andrey Kashechkin (CA) - Maxim Iglinski (Dom) - Assan Bazayev (Cap) - Kayrat Baigudinov (Cap) - Andrey Mizourov (Cap) - Dmitry Muravyev (C.A) - Maxim Gurov (El*2)
Netherlands Michael Boogerd (Rab) - Thomas Dekker (Rab) - Karsten Kroon (Rab) - Koos Moerenhout (Dvl) - Joost Posthuma (Rab) - Pieter Weening (Rab) - Bram Tankink (Qst) - Leon van Bon (Dvl) - Max van Heeswijk (Dsc)
Spain Igor Astaloa Askasibar (Tbl) - Juan Ant.Flecha Giannoni (Fas) -
Francisco Mancebo Perez (Iba) - Miguel A.Martin Perdiguero (Pho) -
Oscar Pereiro Sio (Pho) - Marcos A.Serrano Rodriguez (Spa-Lsw) -
Alejandro Valverde Belmonte (Iba) - Constantino Zaballa Gutierrez (Sdv)

Switzerland Michael Albasini (Liq) - Roger Beuchat (Tbl) - Patrick Calcagni (Liq) - Fabian Cancellara - Aurélien Clerc (Pho) - Martin Elmiger (Pho) - Grégory Rast (Pho) - Markus Zberg (Gst) - Steffen Wesemann (Tmo)
USA Bobby Julich (Csc) - John Lieswyn (Hnc) - Jason McCartney (Dsc) - Patrick McCarty (Dsc) - Saul Raisin (C.A) - Fred Rodriguez (Dvl) - Guido Trenti (Qst) - Christian VandeVelde (Csc) - Phil Zajicek Nic)
6 starters = 10 countries
Argentina Ruben Bongiorno (Pan) - Alejandro Borrajo (Pan) - Luis Moyano (*El.2)
Brazil Murilo Fischer (Nsm) - Luciano Pagliarini (Liq)
Czech Republic ?? René Andrle (Lsw) - Petr Bencík (Zvz) - Jan Hruška (Lsw) - Ondrej Sosenka (Asa) - Jan Svorada (Zvz) -
Great Britain Roger Hammond (Dsc) - Steve Cummings (Lan) - Robin Sharman (Rec) -
Tom Southam (Tbl) - Charles Wegelius (Liq) and Bradley Wiggings (C.A)
reserves: Yanto Barker (Dfl) and Russell Downing (Rec)

Iran Hossein Askari (Gnt) +
Poland Bartosz Huzarski (Ati) - Robert Radosz (Psb) - Marek Rutkiewicz (Ati) - Piotr Wadecki (Ati) - Jarosław Zarębski (Ati) + probably Piotr Mazur (Nic)
Portugal Hélder Miranda (Rga) - Bruno Neves (Mad) - Bruno Pires (Mil) - Hugo Sabido (Prm) - Pedro Soeiro (Cab)
Russia Sergey Ivanov (Tmo) - Denis Menchov (Rab)
Slovenia Janez Brajkovic (Dsc) - Gorazd Stangelj (Lam) - Uros Murn (Pho) - Andrej Hauptman (Fas) - Mitja Mahoric (Per) - Matej Mugerli (Liq)
South Africa Ryan Cox (Tbl) - David George (Tbl) - Rodney "Jock" Green (Tbl) - Robert Hunter (Pho) - Ian Mcleod (FdJ) - James Perry (Kon)
3 starters = 17 countries
Austria Bernhard Eisel (FdJ) Peter Wrolich (Gst) - René Haselbacher (Gst)
Belarus
Bulgaria
Burkina Faso
Canada Michael Barry (Dsc) - Ryder Hesjedal (Dsc) - François Parisien (*El.2)
Colombia
Mauricio A.Ardila Cano (Dvl) - Leonardo Duque Jar) - Luis F.Laverde Jimenez (Pan)
Denmark Jakob Piil Storm (Csc) - Lars Michaelsen (Csc) - Lars Ytting Bak (Csc)
Ireland David McCann (Gnt) - David O'Loughlin (Nic) - Mark Scanlon (A2r)
Japan Koji Fukushima (Bgt) - Shinichi Fukushima (Bgt) - Makoto Iijima (Rav)
Latvia
Lithuania
New Zealand Heath Blackgrove (Jar) - Julian Dean (C.A) - Gregory Henderson (Hnc) - Fraser MacMaster (Vol)
Slovakia
Sweden Magnus Bäckstedt (Liq) - Marcus Ljungqvist (Liq) - Thomas Lövkvist (FdJ)
Ukraine Myhailo Khalilov (Lpr) = (national champion) - Andrij Grivko (Dom) - Denys Kostyuk (Jar)

Uzbekistan Sergey Lagutin (Lan) - Rafael Nuritdinov (Dom) -
Venezuela only 3 riders: José Chacón (*El.2) - Honorio Machado (*El.2) - Arthur García (*El.2) -
1 starter = 6 countries
Chili
Croatia Matija Kvasina (Per)
Cuba
Estonia
Luxembourg Kim Kirchen (Fas)
Norway Thor Hushovd (C.A)
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Is Valverde's knee still borked?
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Originally Posted by gcasillo
Is Valverde's knee still borked?

All signs point to him being OK. Not a good circuit for him, though.
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Originally Posted by gcasillo
Hushovd has been The Man all season long, and could win if McEwen can't find room to squirm through.
I'd be more than happy to share your confidence in Thor. Problem is that he will be starting without the support from a team (stupid rules!). Being the only Norwegian in the field, he'll have to do all the work alone to get up there again in the event of a flat. Thor can hardly afford to join any break-outs, and have to rely on one card only: His chances in a mass sprint, and even then he will be handicapped by lack of team support.
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I'd love to see it end in a small last lap breakaway with Cookie taking it by a wheel from Bettini.
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can't see Petacchi taking this one... i actually see Bettini with a better chance than Pettachi... with that 180 deg turn 400m to the end + it being very slightly up hill + 13 times over two x 5%, 2k climbs + 273 ks... Bettini, Valverde, McEwen... [edit]oh... plus Boonen[edit]

Just don't think Petacchi can handle that finish... and his train isn't going to account for a hill of bean because of the finish... wonder if the Petacchi thing is just a smoke screen for Bettini? Ballerini says the whole team is geared to Petacchi... DiLuca's not there, Cunego's not there.. well what is Bettini doing there then... Bettini is not a worker bee... he has to have a free hand to take it if he can
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There is going to be a huge pileup in the last corner taking out the favorites and a very surprised Fast Freddy will win it.
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McEwen corner changed, I now pick Ale-jet.
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Originally Posted by dws5b
McEwen corner changed, I now pick Ale-jet.

agreed.

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Originally Posted by dws5b
McEwen corner changed, I now pick Ale-jet.
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Following concerns raised by riders in recent days that the final bend before the finish of the road course of the World Championships was dangerous, race organizers announced today that the final approach to the line will be modified. The original parcours had a final 180 degree turn with 600 meters to go that was nicknamed the "McEwen corner" because of the Australian sprinter's renowned bike handling ability, but this now will be changed to make it safer. Instead, they will use a side road to take a more sweeping approach to the bend, swinging wider than originally planned in order to reduce the turning angle. This should lead to a faster, but safer final turn.

The UCI's technical director Charly Mottet made the decision to change that part of the course. In this area, the route was behind a bridge in a zone called Nuevos Ministerios in the city of Madrid.

That's from cyclingnews.com

Who is Ale-jet?

I'll take Boonen.
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How'd you find that out?
Click me

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Originally Posted by doctorSpoc
... wonder if the Petacchi thing is just a smoke screen for Bettini?... Bettini is not a worker bee... he has to have a free hand to take it if he can
Have you forgotten that Bettini was Bartoli's lieutenant for years and pretty much put his career on hold to ride for Bartoli until Bartoli was injured and Bettini emerged as a superior sprinter and all around rider. I actually wondered if Bettini had been gifted the Vuelta stage in exchange for his Worlds work for Petacchi. We shall see. Bettini and Zabel seem to be at the same stage of their careers; dangerous but not dominant.
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Bettini was seen working for Boonen at Milano-San Remo among other races early in the season.
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Originally Posted by Panic
Who is Ale-jet?
Alessandro Petacchi.

I watched the women this morning, and though the new arrangement is better, Davide Cassani (I watch on RAI 3) thinks it will still be a problem. The women negotiated it OK though.

I have an off the wall prediction (which I never do): Carlos Da Cruz!
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