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My First 2man TT....need advice!

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Old 03-14-06, 08:29 AM
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My First 2man TT....need advice!

Well, it goes like this. I've done really well in a 1 man TT but I have never done a 2 man. The particular advice I need is this:
-Hand signals
-When to swap? (If you still feel strong?, keep pulling? or give other guy a turn.)
-Advice on the actual swap? (distance, manner, speed up?, fall back?)
-Pace yourself? Do I go all out and then struggle in or wait till mid way?
-When we practice, what should we work on?

ANy of you experienced guys please give me some advice. Thanks in advance!
 
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Old 03-14-06, 08:56 AM
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I've done a couple of 2 man and 4 man TT's and they are a real blast. The thing that I learned that helped us the most was to regulate your speed. Meaning if one of you is stronger or on better form that day when you take your pull don't up the pace, just pull a little longer. If you go faster then you never let the the other guy rest so when he gets to the front he's not able to pull as long or as hard.

When we did the state TTT championships last year we had a guy who is an elite Tri-Athlete. This guy has finished in the top 50 at the Ironman so he can really drill it. We sat down and decided that we would set an ave speed to the half way mark and we would each take 60 sec pulls. After the half way mark Rolando would then take 2 min pulls to our 60 sec pulls. From then on our ave mph went up by 1.5 mph.

Also if you can practice riding together, even if it's only once or twice that will really help.
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Old 03-14-06, 11:39 AM
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2-man time trials are a blast. 4-man time trials are the most painful thing I've ever experienced on a bike.

2Rodies hit the nail on the head. The best way to blow apart a multi-rider time trial is to pull through too hard. If the course is flat, try your best to maintain a constant speed. It's easy to get anxious when it's your turn to pull through and go too hard. This screws the guy who just pulled off. For me, the hardest part about 4-man time trials is getting back onto the line after a pull.

Another pet peeve of mine are guys who start sprinting once the finish line comes into sight. Doing that just destroys the line, and since the time is usually taken on the last rider, sprinting usually just slows you down. It's always the guys who do the least work who sprint at the end.

When you pull off, don't slow down too much, and when you pull through, don't speed up. I said that already, but it's worth repeating.

Unless you know for sure that your partner is definitely weaker or stronger than you, I'd plan on taking pulls between 30 seconds and a minute for the first half. For the second half, the stronger guy pulls longer, but not necessarily faster.

Finally, find some really stinky cologne. Musk works well, and your TT partners will love you for it.
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Old 03-15-06, 09:30 AM
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Hi,

I have riden a few 2 Man TT's over the past years and can offer the following advice:

- First man signals a change with a 'flick' of the elbow on the side that he intends to swing over to. i.e. if he flicks right elbow, he peel's off in that direction.
- Rider coming through for turn at the front matches pace off rider peeling off, DOES not ride to the front faster than partner otherwise runs the risk of patner not being able to get on to his wheel.
-Lift tempo gradually when on front if necessary but make sure it is progressive to allow partner to follow.
- If it's a clam day and you are both reasonably matched in ability perhaps change every 2 mins or so. If it's windy, change every 1 min.
- If you are struggling to keep close to partners wheel, focus on specific point..rear mech always helps me!

I hope this helps...

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1. Don't overlap wheels.
If you need to move to one side or the other to find the draft, fine. But never overlap wheels.

2. Don't be afraid to talk.
If he's going to fast for you, say so. Don't try to close the gap, because when he pulls off, you'll be gassed.
If you want to take longer pulls, say so. Don't leave him to assume anything.
If your rider is pulling off on the wrong side (leeward side), say so.
If you want to lighten the mood, do so. An occasional joke helps numb the pain, and shows that you're on top of things.

3. When you pull off, give him enough room to get past you.
I hate it when they pull off and make you thread the needle between them and the shoulder. How unware can a rider be?

4. Never cook yourself on the front.
Don't be a hero. Just do your part to maintain the pace.

5. Find the draft and stick to it.
If you're on the back and you're wasting energy, you'll pay sooner than later.

6. Pay attention.
Late in the race, when you start to fade, that's when accidents happen.

7. Smile. Have fun. It's better than yard work!
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Old 03-15-06, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Rodies
I've done a couple of 2 man and 4 man TT's and they are a real blast. The thing that I learned that helped us the most was to regulate your speed. Meaning if one of you is stronger or on better form that day when you take your pull don't up the pace, just pull a little longer. If you go faster then you never let the the other guy rest so when he gets to the front he's not able to pull as long or as hard.

When we did the state TTT championships last year we had a guy who is an elite Tri-Athlete. This guy has finished in the top 50 at the Ironman so he can really drill it. We sat down and decided that we would set an ave speed to the half way mark and we would each take 60 sec pulls. After the half way mark Rolando would then take 2 min pulls to our 60 sec pulls. From then on our ave mph went up by 1.5 mph.

Also if you can practice riding together, even if it's only once or twice that will really help.
The last is the most important. Also don't be afraid to adjust during the race. Remember trading places works besst on the straight flat spots. By the end the stronger rider should be doing more work. An extreme example at the top level was Anquetil and Altig in the '62 Trofeo Baracchi. Rudi Altig did almost all the work, almsot from the beginning. He was just stronger than anyone on the day, but Anquetil was a pretty decent time trialist (British humor, Anquetil was the best time trialist of his day, just not on that day).
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2. Don't be afraid to talk.
On that note let me relay a short story. Last year during the state TTT I was second wheel and my teammate who was third wheel yelled out 1/4 distance. I didn't quite hear what he said and I turned my head slightly to ask him what he was saying. At that very moment my teammate on the front started to peel off and we touched wheels. I nearly went down and it took us about a minute to get our rhythm back. We came in second about 1 min behind the winners. If you are going to talk keep your eyes forward at all times, and stay concentrated on the guy in front of you!
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Focus on the little things.

Praticing together, D Day is the wrong time to find out that he never ridden 100km.

Talk to each other unless you are sucking wind let him know what you feel and vice versa. Communications is key.

Focus on the weak points and let each other knows what they are so you know what he can't do.

Gear ratios, work on that.IMHO, chose what you are going to use.

I remember when Ron Keifel and Davis Phinney doing their 100km 2man TT, that is when I started doing them since I was a ITT and Pursuit it improved my fitness and getting those two man breaks going. Those days in the early 80s when 2 man TT was normal

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Old 03-23-06, 05:19 AM
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How can I tell if this frame on e-bay is a 5200 or 5900?
 
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Old 03-23-06, 07:27 AM
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How can I tell if this frame on e-bay is a 5200 or 5900?

If it is OCLV 110 then I'm pretty sure it is a 5.9. 5200's (Actually all the 5000 series are the same frame just different groupo except for the 5.9) are 120 OCLV.
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Team time trials are a blast, and perhaps the most painful hour you can spend!

Lot of good advise above, the only thing that I would add is to get a lot of team practice time in. If you can get a good tempo and feel for each others tendencies then you will do much better.
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i saw you live in laffayete... is it the pinole team TT? and wondering what team are you on? I was thinking about doing it
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Originally Posted by airsoft510
i saw you live in laffayete... is it the pinole team TT? and wondering what team are you on? I was thinking about doing it
this is one in New Orleans; and I ride for Raising Cane's Racing - former Delta Racing!
 
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