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Yes, I know of someone who dopes who is an amateur
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No, I don't know of someone who dopes who is an amateur
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Not sure, no one has been willing to tell, but probably so
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Not sure, but it's doubtful anyone is doping
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Doping in local racing scene...

Old 05-25-06, 07:51 PM
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Doping in local racing scene...

After reading about the Liberty Seguros fiasco going on, then remembering a story in Cyclesport, I have wondered how far down the racing scene doping has infiltrated.
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Old 05-25-06, 08:31 PM
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It's kinda expensive to do it properly...

It's not nearly as easy, and so I'd venture to guess, not as wide-spread as steroid use in power sports.
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Old 05-25-06, 08:37 PM
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High end doping is unlikely. I would venture a guess that some of the cat 1's and 2's use banned substances. After all there are a LOT of them and though some just drink herbal tea of a cough syrup with a banned substance, I bet there are a few who use more than the legal limit of caffeine for instance.

As far as transfusions and EPO and the big stuff? Nah.
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Old 05-25-06, 08:57 PM
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Doping? Probably scant few.
Banned Substances? Definitely.

When they catch a Cat 3 rider doing the hard stuff, I want to sit on that jury.
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Old 05-26-06, 12:09 AM
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I know im over the caffeine limit as we speak.
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I'm sure plently of people look into speed-Adderal works wonders.
I'd bet some people might use anabolic, but the benefits seem so limited in cycling and the costs so high.
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Old 05-26-06, 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by EventServices
When they catch a Cat 3 rider doing the hard stuff, I want to sit on that jury.
If they catch a CAT 3 rider doing that, you've got someone with way too much disposable income.
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Old 05-26-06, 06:54 AM
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It is widely rumored that there are Cat 2's in South Florida using EPO. Boggles my mind given the cost, both economic, and personal, and the extremely limited return on investment. No personal knowledge, but I've heard it from sources I believe to be credible.
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Old 05-26-06, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
It is widely rumored that there are Cat 2's in South Florida using EPO. Boggles my mind given the cost, both economic, and personal, and the extremely limited return on investment. No personal knowledge, but I've heard it from sources I believe to be credible.
Here's what's scary and unbelievable to me. What would a S Florida Cat 2 do even if they improved enough with doping to move onto Cat 1? Take lots more of the same stuff to remain competitive? Get a new body? If a racer is not even strong enough to make Cat 1 without doping, seems to me that it is the end of the line for them anyway.
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Old 05-26-06, 07:17 AM
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Merlin, I've got to disagree with you on that..


EPO isn't that expensive, its about $400 for 24,0000 IU and that will raise your HCT about 6 points. Thats about a 15% increase in the oxygen carrying capacity of your blood. Hardly an "extremely limited return" Where else can you get an 15% increase in performance for $400?

It is however, incredibly stupid.
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Old 05-26-06, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Smoothie104
Merlin, I've got to disagree with you on that..


EPO isn't that expensive, its about $400 for 24,0000 IU and that will raise your HCT about 6 points. Thats about a 15% increase in the oxygen carrying capacity of your blood. Hardly an "extremely limited return" Where else can you get an 15% increase in performance for $400?

It is however, incredibly stupid.
And how do you know so much

I am guessing that Merlin means that the limited return is in possibly going to cat 1 and maybe winning the occasional $300 purse, big deal.
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Old 05-26-06, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyMtnMerlin
Here's what's scary and unbelievable to me. What would a S Florida Cat 2 do even if they improved enough with doping to move onto Cat 1? Take lots more of the same stuff to remain competitive? Get a new body? If a racer is not even strong enough to make Cat 1 without doping, seems to me that it is the end of the line for them anyway.
A lot of dillusional people even at that level, they are so close to the prize, and so wraped up in the sport that poor decisions are made. The gap between Cat 2 and Pro is huge on one hand, but can seem small when you find yourself lining up in Pro,1,2 fields and rubbing elbows with the domestics. 15% might seem like a good trade off at the time, especially with the "everyone is doing it, dont get caught" attitude most in our sport have.
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Old 05-26-06, 08:11 AM
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Agree Voodoo, It falls into that win at all costs, i need an edge etc.. And its cheaper than a set of carbon wheels. These guys just want to be known as the local bad asses.. and are risking thier health in the process.
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Old 05-26-06, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Smoothie104
Merlin, I've got to disagree with you on that..


EPO isn't that expensive, its about $400 for 24,0000 IU and that will raise your HCT about 6 points. Thats about a 15% increase in the oxygen carrying capacity of your blood. Hardly an "extremely limited return" Where else can you get an 15% increase in performance for $400?

It is however, incredibly stupid.
I meant an extremely limited financial return, not that it wouldn't help you win.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
I meant an extremely limited financial return, not that it wouldn't help you win.
Exactly the point, Return on Investment isnt part of the rationale. (If it were how many of us would even race).

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Old 05-26-06, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Smoothie104
Agree Voodoo, It falls into that win at all costs, i need an edge etc.. And its cheaper than a set of carbon wheels. These guys just want to be known as the local bad asses.. and are risking thier health in the process.
I wouldn't be quite that hard on them. Smoothie, you've seen enough to know but some don't understand. At even a Cat 2 level, for many cycling becomes a huge chuck of your life. You identify yourself as a "Bike Racer", your self identity can start to depend on how you place. It's hard for some people to maintain balance in life, and in decision making under these conditions. One of the things I didn't like about "amateur" racing. I've seen promising careers outside cycling, and sometimes health compromised for a few placings in local races.

You can see this in other athletic pursuits as well. Go to your local Gym, odds are there are dudes there doing roids who don't even compete.
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Yes, from Sudaphed to EPO and anabolics, cat 4 and up even. I've heard guys who work at hospitals sneaking stuff out, 3s being juiced out of their minds, and just recently Tardaquilla of America's Cycling Team got nailed for EPO after he took second at Univest. How wide spread it is I can't/won't venture, but if you go looking, there's a load of horror stories.
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here in socal, I know for a fact, there cat 1 racers on amater teams buying EPO from canada and shooting it just look for a winning streak of 2003 rider, and then he was gon next season also on the home deot track i heard couple of cat -1 talking about how they felt nasous in the morning after shootng epo, they just did not see me i was behind the boxes!
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There are alot of US amatuers and pro level dopers. The drug testing in the USA is races is non-existant.

You can see the dumbass pro level dopers. The really stupid ones are all yoked from steroids and I hope the rest of them sludge up on epo.
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I'm sure people are doping out there. All levels too.
Heck, if high school football players do steroids what makes you think that a cyclist wouldn't drop a fair amount of money to get a small boost or faster recovery.
With the vanity that goes along with cycling (or any athletics), you know that people are making questionable choices to climb better or place better within their category. It is true that we all spend a lot of time riding just to be able to compete and results (specifically improvements) are important.
I personally think it is pathetic. If you can't do it on your own, suck it up.
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Old 05-27-06, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by pinky
I've heard guys who work at hospitals sneaking stuff out.
I was talking about EPO abuse one day with my sister (an RN). She told me how the hospital has a cart filled with the stuff that just sits in the hallway. It's not guarded at all like the morphine etc. Anyone can go on EPO for free.
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Old 05-27-06, 09:23 PM
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I hope that people are doping, considering at even the lowest levels of racing there are people spending thousands on bikes and coaching and the total lack of testing.
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Originally Posted by Demit
I hope that people are doping, considering at even the lowest levels of racing there are people spending thousands on bikes and coaching and the total lack of testing.
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Originally Posted by Demit
I hope that people are doping, considering at even the lowest levels of racing there are people spending thousands on bikes and coaching and the total lack of testing.
I hope you can take a minute to rethink that...
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From a strictly monetary standpoint, Demit makes sense. However, there are many more things to consider such as fair play and the obvious health risks to name a few. I personally would never "hope" people are doping. I would "hope" that people are competing to the best of their abilities within the rules.
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