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TDF postlogue: it ain't over yet...

Old 07-26-06, 11:24 AM
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TDF postlogue: it ain't over yet...

As big tours usually go these days, it's not really over until the doping tests are back.
From Velonews:

Anti-doping tests conducted during the recently completed 93rd Tour de France have turned up an "adverse analytical finding," the UCI confirmed Wednesday.

The name of the rider will not be released to the public until further tests are conducted. The rider and their team, national doping and cycling federations as well as the World-Anti Doping Agency have been notified.

Under anti-doping rules, a second "B" sample will be tested to confirm the results. If both samples come up positive, the rider will face sanctions for a failed doping test. If the "B" sample comes back negative, no sanction will be imposed.

The UCI said it received a report Wednesday from the anti-doping laboratory in Paris noting the "A" sample positive taken during the 2006 Tour, but did not divulge more details.
 
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At least it will wake up some of the people who thought this was a clean tour because of OP. The drug problem will be around a long time, if not forever.
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OK DocRay, what team do you think it is? Course if the B sample comes back negative, we may never know.
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OK DocRay, what team do you think it is? Course if the B sample comes back negative, we may never know.
should have made a poll.
Seriously, it could be any team, I just don't think anyone can make it to the TDF without some enhancements.
 
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the suspense is killing me, I'm inclined to suspect someone from the Iberian peninsula. . .but then there have been some surprizing performances by riders that rode both the giro and tour this season, hmmmm
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well it wasn't Mayo, Hincapie, Boonen, or anyone else that had their suppply cut off and their tour sucked.
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I dunno....who consistently had great days back-to-back for days on end? Sastre rode pretty strong in the Alps each day I thought.....
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Originally Posted by domestique
well it wasn't Mayo, Hincapie, Boonen, or anyone else that had their suppply cut off and their tour sucked.
Yeah, all those days in Yellow must have been a nightmare.
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If it's the Flandis I'll never watch pro cycling again.
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Originally Posted by DrPete
If it's the Flandis I'll never watch pro cycling again.

That was an amazing day on stage 17, and he would've had to test cause he won the stage..hmm...
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Originally Posted by Jakey
That was an amazing day on stage 17, and he would've had to test cause he won the stage..hmm...
Yeah, but if his collapse really was hydration or nutrition-related, it wouldn't be that impossible to come back strong the next day. Not for me, but for a GC contender in the TdF. I'd be laid out for 3 days.
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Originally Posted by DrPete
If it's the Flandis I'll never watch pro cycling again.
ah, the " hes from my country, so he cant possibly be doping " sydnrome. Australian sport suffers the same plight.
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Originally Posted by HDTVKSS
ah, the " hes from my country, so he cant possibly be doping " sydnrome. Australian sport suffers the same plight.
I don't think it's the American factor, but rather the fact that just when you get a seemingly clean, classic cycling comeback story after constant doping rumors and investigations...it would be devastating to the sport to have that story be medically enhanced.

It probably was, but let's just hope it isn't him they're talking about so that I don't have to keep telling my son "I'll explain it to you when you get older" when he begins to start following the sport.
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Originally Posted by HDTVKSS
ah, the " hes from my country, so he cant possibly be doping " sydnrome. Australian sport suffers the same plight.
What is with all of this crap lately?

Maybe it is because we just witnessed a historical ride and tour, and if it turns out to be a result of doping then many would be disappointed. When you pull for someone you put a certain amount of trust into them. If it turns out that person cheated then it is reasonable to be disappointed. I don't see where nationality is involved.

We Americans know for a fact at least one of our riders cheated although he still refuses to admit it. Maybe all non-American posters can get over their inferiority complex that has recently become rapant. Not everything we post involves nationality.

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Originally Posted by DrPete
If it's the Flandis I'll never watch pro cycling again.
Oh no, that will reduce the American Tour de France audience by at least 1%.

I plan to keep watching regardless.

On another point, if this involves Floyd, will they tell the world before or after his appearance on Leno on Friday Night?
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I question the ethics and serurity of the people and organizations involved. To have released such info before the B test is done is a disservice to Cycling. I am especially watching the man who runs the anti doping organization. As long as doping is a hot topic his status is enhanced.
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001
I don't think it's the American factor, but rather the fact that just when you get a seemingly clean, classic cycling comeback story after constant doping rumors and investigations...it would be devastating to the sport to have that story be medically enhanced.

It probably was, but let's just hope it isn't him they're talking about so that I don't have to keep telling my son "I'll explain it to you when you get older" when he begins to start following the sport.
+1. That was my real point. I don't care if Landis is an American--I was rooting for Oscar Pereiro too. It's just a shame to see the great accomplishments in the sport tainted by drugs/doping/etc. to the point that even with negative test results you don't know who/what to believe.
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https://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...287959,00.html

Sounds like they suspect Flandis.
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Sounds like they're jumping to some conclusions. All it says is that there was a specimen from stage 17 that came up positive for testosterone. Hardly a great recovery aid, but anything can happen, I suppose...

Like I said, that would just suck.
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The Times has jumped to their own conclusion. It coupld be one of 100+ ppl. they have no idea if its him or any other rider. professional muckraking at its very best.
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If it's ANYONE on the podium it will be huge blow to the Tour. If it turns out to be Floyd this will have shifted from one of the most memorable Tours to one that the ASO will wish people would forget.
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Another thought, think L'Equipe had anything to do with this info coming out? Be very vague, imply the stage that Floyd had his miracle come back in. That sure would sell a lot of post tour papers.
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I wouldn't get all excited. It's probably just a domestique. If it was Flandis they would have leaked the story already. Remember what happened to Heras last year? They didn't even wait for the B sample to come out.
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Since it was the after the 3rd alpine stage, I could be anybody. The testosterone (if thats really what showed up) is used in recovery and is undetectable from the bodies own. WADA looks at the ratio between Test. and epistosterone. You can have 6:1 or under, If its higher, your red flagged. To avoid sudden spikes that would happen with injections. Athletes have switched to transdermal patches, on the skin. They put the hormone in slower, over a couple of hours. Looks like someone may have left it on too long. But to be honest, most of the riders or teams wouldnt mess with this during the tour, unless something was really at stake. You can take all the test. female hormones to mask the test, EPO etc.. a couple of weeks before, bang in some blood on the rest day etc.. Thats the standard procedure....

But actually being in possesion of anything during the tour is risky, as your room may get raided. Sounds like some last ditch effort to really help someone out who needed it. Maybe Pererio??? I a guy just trying to finish, and hoping his number wouldnt come up for random..

I mention that it could be almost anyone, because the 3rd day in the alps was make or break for a lot of people, so it was important to be ready for the misery ahead. Not just the GC Contendors, but the Green jersey contendors etc.. Evenyone needed to finish that stage as well as possible, it was the last time you could really miss the time cut etc..

Yes Floyd rode better than some expected, but so did a lot of riders, Pererio did, Boogerd did, Mazzonleni, Kessler, and Gonchar all rode extrememly well for T Mobile...

Who knows, maybe it was some domestique etc.. we will see.
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Originally Posted by Panic

testosterone, wow, big screw-up, someone left the patch on too long
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