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Old 02-07-07, 08:40 AM
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Time Trials, tell me about them..

I'm planning on racing in the ITT at Gainesville on the 24th. I read that the course is 8 miles. So to see where I'm at, I rode an 8 mile ITT this morning at the local paved loop and came in at 20:47 with an average of around 24mph or so. However, I looked up past results of the race, and the fastest person in my category rode the course in 23:27. Either I'm alot faster than I'm giving myself credit for, or there's some sort of catch to doing a time trial that slows you down? My time would make me competitive with the college A racers. Anyone got any info that maybe I'm overlooking?
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Could be windier, could be hillier, your computer could be off. There are tons of variables. 24 mph would probably be close to out of the top 10 depending on how competitive your area is.
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Originally Posted by cslone
Could be windier, could be hillier, your computer could be off. There are tons of variables. 24 mph would probably be close to out of the top 10 depending on how competitive your area is.
Yeah it could have been really windy that day. Or the course could have a difficult climb somewhere on the it. Without a direct comparison on the actual course it's hard to really know.
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in the district 40k tt in this area a 24mph average would have put you in the bottom 1/3 of the 4/5 class. It does depend on the course and who shows up, if only three people show in your class then you can get a podium on a 20" pink huffy with tassles
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Old 02-07-07, 09:00 AM
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I don't know the course but last year a guy in my club road 20:46 to win the Masters 45, and place 5th in the Pro I-II. The guy was 2nd in the State TT championship, and has won medals at Nationals in Tandem TT.

If he averaged under 24mph for an 8 mile TT, it had to be a pretty slow course. (To give you an idea he rode 53:33 for the 25 mile State TT championship on a windy day in 2006)

So , I'm thinking if your time was over a relatively flat course, you can expect a significantly higher time, at least if its the same as last year.
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Found the problem. If you read the course description, it is ultraflat, but its also 12 miles.

http://www.floridacycling.com/flyers/UF_2007.pdf

I think the table in the Flyer is in error. It's the only way that last year's time make any sense.

24 mph in a flat TT, 12 miles long is not going to embarass you in a Cat 5 race, but its going to be far from the hardware. In fact, it wouldn't have mad top ten in last years State TT championships in Cat 5, which were 40k.

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Old 02-07-07, 09:11 AM
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hehehe...whoops?
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Originally Posted by jrennie
in the district 40k tt in this area a 24mph average would have put you in the bottom 1/3 of the 4/5 class.
This just goes to show why you cannot compare MPH from one course to another. 24 mph on a flat course in Reno, NV is the equivalent of 22.7 mph at sea level.

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Old 02-07-07, 10:15 AM
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Ok, then I guess the 8 mile distance listed in the flyer is incorrect. Plus, my speedometer IS jacked up, so disregard what I said was my average speed, it was a guestimate. However, the 20:47 time is correct for the 8 miles, so if there is a math genious here they could figure out my average. I should probably try a 12 mile TT if this is the case. Also, keep in mind I have no aero bars, just my drop bars on my road bike which weighs 19 pounds.

I guess I'm not as fast as I thought.
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Old 02-07-07, 10:29 AM
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Get some clip on aero bars.
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Old 02-07-07, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by wrote4luck
Ok, then I guess the 8 mile distance listed in the flyer is incorrect. Plus, my speedometer IS jacked up, so disregard what I said was my average speed, it was a guestimate. However, the 20:47 time is correct for the 8 miles, so if there is a math genious here they could figure out my average. I should probably try a 12 mile TT if this is the case. Also, keep in mind I have no aero bars, just my drop bars on my road bike which weighs 19 pounds.

I guess I'm not as fast as I thought.
The flyer is inconsistent between the 8 miles in the table, and the 12 mile course description, so this year it could be either, but those times had to be off of something closer to 12, than to 8.

20:47 for 8 miles would be a little under 24 (actually closer to 23).
Give it your best shot, and you'll learn a lot about where you stack up , and how to time trial. I wouldn't worry too much about your speed at this point.
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Old 02-07-07, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by wrote4luck
Ok, then I guess the 8 mile distance listed in the flyer is incorrect. Plus, my speedometer IS jacked up, so disregard what I said was my average speed, it was a guestimate. However, the 20:47 time is correct for the 8 miles, so if there is a math genious here they could figure out my average. I should probably try a 12 mile TT if this is the case. Also, keep in mind I have no aero bars, just my drop bars on my road bike which weighs 19 pounds.

I guess I'm not as fast as I thought.
Miles per hour...

Miles = 8

per = divided by

Hour = 60 minutes...your time = 20:47. 20/60 =.333... 47/60=.78333... 1/60= .0167 * .78333 = .013055 + .333 = .346 hour

8/.346 = 23.12mphish

So, assuming you can maintain 23.1mph for 12 miles you're looking at 12/x=23.1, 12=23.1 x=.519 or 31:17.

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Old 02-07-07, 10:49 AM
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Ave speed = 8 miles * (60min/hr) /20.78 min = 23.1 miles/hr
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Originally Posted by zimbo
This just goes to show why you cannot compare MPH from one course to another. 24 mph on a flat course in Reno, NV is the equivalent of 22.7 mph at sea level.

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The TT course was in california not nevada but it was at altitude. How did you compensate for altitude to get that speed, it there a formula?
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I hate math.
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Also, to do 12mi in 23:27 you'd need to be going 30.7mph. That's freakin' SMOKING, and the 1-2 guys were averaging about 21 minutes, or 34.3mph...

Hrm. Methinks the course is in reality somewhere in between 8 and 12 miles long.

Lets just play a game and assume the winner of the P1/2 TT averaged 30mph. At 20:18 the course would be 10.15 miles long.

The slowest CAT-5 time was 26.55, or assuming a 12mi course 26.75mph. Yeah, right.
On an 8 mi course that would work out to 17.8mph. Yeah, right.
On my notional 10.15 mi (can you tell I'm realllllly bored?) course that would be 22.63 - or about what you'd expect from a low placing in a CAT-5 TT.

Ish.

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^^^^^

I'm betting that the actual course last year was somewhere between 10 and 11 miles. My teamate who road the 20:46, did the State TT championship at 28 mph (on a very windy day). I'd bet he be right at 30, give or take, for a 10 mile TT. 10.3 miles, would put his time at 30 mph.
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Looks like I'll need some aero bars if I intend to be competitive. There's no way I can get my pace above 25mph for long without them.
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^^^^
And time spent practicing with them. If you don't spend some training time in the new position, your power can drop, and increase, rather than decrease your time.
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Originally Posted by wrote4luck
Ok, then I guess the 8 mile distance listed in the flyer is incorrect. Plus, my speedometer IS jacked up, so disregard what I said was my average speed, it was a guestimate. However, the 20:47 time is correct for the 8 miles, so if there is a math genious here they could figure out my average. I should probably try a 12 mile TT if this is the case. Also, keep in mind I have no aero bars, just my drop bars on my road bike which weighs 19 pounds.

I guess I'm not as fast as I thought.
Look, I hate to sound cold hearted, but if you live in Gainesville, why not just go ride the course?

Head out towards Waldo Road and 53rd, go to CR-225 (it's off of NE 53rd right next to Waldo Road).

Reset your watch, ride 6 miles north, turn around, ride back.

BTW, that road sucks. Chip seal and lots of bubbas who drive like freaks. Ugh.

Oh yeah, a lot of the team florida guys are faaaast fast fast. I'd expect to see a lot of people smoking 27-30mph on the course, but if you want to do some racing it'd probably be fun even if you wind up being towards the bottom in the final standings. Heck, we've got a 16 year old kid who has been known to pull away from people at 32mph AFTER an 80 mile ride at 22-25mph (he won the cat 4 race last Saturday at progress park).

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I live in Tampa. It doesn't look like I'll be doing the ITT afterall, but I will be doing the TTT with 3 of my team mates. We just want to do it for snits and giggles, and none of us have tri-bikes or aero bars nor do we have the time to train with them. But, I will also be doing the College C criterium on sunday, so you may see different results there
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Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus
Miles per hour...

Miles = 8

per = divided by

Hour = 60 minutes...your time = 20:47. 20/60 =.333... 47/60=.78333... 1/60= .0167 * .78333 = .013055 + .333 = .346 hour

8/.346 = 23.12mphish

So, assuming you can maintain 23.1mph for 12 miles you're looking at 12/x=23.1, 12=23.1 x=.519 or 31:17.
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Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus
Also, to do 12mi in 23:27 you'd need to be going 30.7mph. That's freakin' SMOKING, and the 1-2 guys were averaging about 21 minutes, or 34.3mph...

Hrm. Methinks the course is in reality somewhere in between 8 and 12 miles long.

Lets just play a game and assume the winner of the P1/2 TT averaged 30mph. At 20:18 the course would be 10.15 miles long.

The slowest CAT-5 time was 26.55, or assuming a 12mi course 26.75mph. Yeah, right.
On an 8 mi course that would work out to 17.8mph. Yeah, right.
On my notional 10.15 mi (can you tell I'm realllllly bored?) course that would be 22.63 - or about what you'd expect from a low placing in a CAT-5 TT.

Ish.
I tend to agree with your analysis, the only thing about TT's and cat 5's it that you get the Elite tri geeks who can flat get it on in TT entering as 5s.
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"Time Trials, tell me about them.. "


Well you're going to want to ride really hard and fast.






















What?! I cannot be the only one that was thinking this when reading the title.
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People have mentioned the wind, etc. For example at our state championships not only did we run the first half of the course into a direct 12 mph wind, but the course was long. At the Florida USCF time trial championships (2006), the course was way short. Don't go by printed results - they are meaningless. My last two time trial competitions had long courses with wind - again meaningless printed results. Just pedal your ass off in the red zone, relax, constantly monitor your position, stroke, cadence and withstand as much pain as you can take. Your result will than have meaning. I hope you have all of the aero goodies including bike, wheels, helmet, booties, skinsuit, aero bars. If you don't, you will probably be blown away by the competition. Good luck.
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