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Old 02-09-07, 05:12 PM
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is running good training?how does rr start?

Is running a few miles good training for a Bike road race ? I understand that i must also ride the bike . When a large road race starts lets say Rock hill omnium , There are many different categories and age groups . Do you start the race surrounded by your own categorie of riders so you can figure out a little bit of what they are doing ,or is it one mass and you might be riding with anybody for that matter .Thanks simon.
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Running is good in moderation. I read somewhere that running lengthens muscles while cycling compacts them. Too much running can be detrimental to your cycling because of power loss, joint problems, ect.

Definitely a good way to keep the cardio up though.

You will start with your own category.
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Originally Posted by simonpne
lets say Rock hill omnium
Nice choice! Since you're presumably a beginning rider (Cat5), you would ride in a race with fellow Cat5 riders. If you're over 35 you can race in the regular Cat5 races and/or the Masters 4/5 races.

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Old 02-09-07, 05:31 PM
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power loss joint problems running

These are things to consider when i have old soccer joints . But they float ok on the bike for now . Thanks simon
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Old 02-09-07, 05:34 PM
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cat 5 or masters

I presume there are less masters than regular cat 5 . so which is the easier division to be competitive in . thanks
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Originally Posted by simonpne
Is running a few miles good training for a Bike road race ? I understand that i must also ride the bike . When a large road race starts lets say Rock hill omnium , There are many different categories and age groups . Do you start the race surrounded by your own categorie of riders so you can figure out a little bit of what they are doing ,or is it one mass and you might be riding with anybody for that matter .Thanks simon.
Rock Hill is just like any other bike race...well the crit is more technical, and the sprints are a pretty cool little setup...but other than that it's the same

Running is fine, in the off season, or in moderation. You wanna be fast on the bike, you have to ride lots on the bike. The endurance transfers well, but it's different. I was never really competitive as a runner, I could never get faster than a barely sub 5 mile, and 11:30ish 2 miler - but when I found the bike it was like an epiphany. All of a sudden having big legs to go along with my endurance base was a good thing rather than a handicap.

If you're specifically targeting Rock Hill, here is my advice:
Work on acceleration. That is a fast and furious crit. There are 6 corners IIRC, and 4 are what I'd call fairly technical. You will meet dropzilla if you aren't ready for the jumps.

Be ready to respond to attacks on the shorter, but steep climbs on the RR. Most likely nothing will get away, but you want to be ready.

I wish I could do that race again this year, it was a great time.
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Originally Posted by simonpne
I presume there are less masters than regular cat 5 . so which is the easier division to be competitive in . thanks
CAT-5.

Masters tend to be faster, and CAT-5s crash more...pick your poison.
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Old 02-09-07, 05:43 PM
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I was a serious runner for a long time before I started cycling. I adapted to cycling very quickly since I had a good aerobic base, but gradually decreased the running as I increased my riding.

That was 18 months ago. Now I only ride because I find that even an easy 4 mile run leaves me sore for days, and prevents me from working out as hard as I need to on the bike. I used to do 10-15 mile runs without getting sore, but if I tried one now I probably wouldn't be able to walk for a week.

To answer your question I would say that running can definitely help improve fitness, but as you get close to your maximum cycling potential it can be detrimental.


Virtually all road races have each category start separately and don't allow you to ride with or work with riders in other categories (or other start groups) if you hapeen to pass or get passed by them.

A couple of examples: If a race has 2 cat 5 groups, they may start them 5 minutes apart and not allow riders to pace or draft off riders who didn't start in their group. Some races combine groups, like 35+ and 45+ and let them work together even though they are competing for different prizes.
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rock hill

Why can you not do that race this year .? I have done no speed work yet and i dont expect to beat anybody the first time . I train slow on grass on a mountain bike every day and i make the gears tougher each week. I dont go far . I concentrate on the pulling up part of the leg and the push takes care of it self . unortodox training but after three races i should be up to at least being competitive . I Think
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Originally Posted by simonpne
unortodox training but after three races i should be up to at least being competitive . I Think
You may be right.

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crashing cat 5 s

i choose not to be in crashes much . i am 46 years old and can not take it , i am sure i will crash and i hope i can walk away
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Originally Posted by simonpne
I presume there are less masters than regular cat 5 . so which is the easier division to be competitive in . thanks

Here are the demographics for Northern California/Nevada.
Out of 636 Cat 5 riders, 419 (66%) are masters (35+)

http://www.ncnca.org/docs/demographics.shtml


USCF riders in the NCNCA region (as of Feb. 2nd, 2007)
Total USCF Members 2073 Cat Total under 35 35+ 45+ 55+
Cat 5 636 217 419 182 37
Cat 4 men 642 163 479 217 43
Cat 4 women 178 75 103 46 9
Cat 3 men 425 98 327 140 35
Cat 3 women 83 28 55 25 5
Cat 2 men 233 70 163 66 16
Cat 2 women 40 16 24 9 0
Cat 1 men 71 27 44 12 0
Cat 1 women 20 8 12 3 0
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dropzilla

dropzilla is a certaincy for me in crits . so ill choose RR . I will meet him there allso and try to conquer him some times .If i become reasonable at it i might try a crit
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Running is fine, but I think at this point in the season, I would recommend you concentrate on bike fitness. As it is nearly mid-February, you would benefit from pedaling lots. Work on accelerations, as a lot of people can handle the speed of a Cat-5 RR or Crit, when drafting, but have trouble matching and recovering from the acceleration's.

See if you can find the local weekend rides, those usually provide a good forum to work on race skills in a relatively inviting environment.
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Originally Posted by Cypress
Running is good in moderation. I read somewhere that running lengthens muscles while cycling compacts them.
as a former competitive bodybuilder I have never understood WTF people mean by that. Muscles attach to joints so unless your bones are getting shorter I don't see how your muscles would. I can see excessive bulk reducing range of motion but otherwise it sounds like a load of hooey.
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Old 02-09-07, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by grebletie
Running is fine, but I think at this point in the season, I would recommend you concentrate on bike fitness. As it is nearly mid-February, you would benefit from pedaling lots. Work on accelerations, as a lot of people can handle the speed of a Cat-5 RR or Crit, when drafting, but have trouble matching and recovering from the acceleration's.

See if you can find the local weekend rides, those usually provide a good forum to work on race skills in a relatively inviting environment.

+1 I know this is what killed me when I started racing last season. I'd be fine in TT's and could handle pretty high average speeds, but constant pace changes and accelerations just drove me nuts. I spent a lot of time over the winter working on that since normally that sort of thing takes a lot out of me. I'm feeling a bit better about it this year.

On a related note, what is going on physiologically that enables one person to handle accelerations better than another?
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