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Old 02-22-07, 12:31 PM
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Tom Danielson

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Old 02-22-07, 12:37 PM
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At one point, Tommy D was the Next Lance(tm), but these days it seems that he's been relegated to a lesser role on Disco. Is it a sign of more realistic expectations? Does he just not have the legs or the motivation to train enough to reach his potential?
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Originally Posted by platypus
At one point, Tommy D was the Next Lance(tm), but these days it seems that he's been relegated to a lesser role on Disco. Is it a sign of more realistic expectations? Does he just not have the legs or the motivation to train enough to reach his potential?
But isn't that similar the rap on Lance prior to his cancer ordeal?
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are you saying Tommy D needs to get cancer?
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Old 02-22-07, 01:00 PM
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I'm in awe of his talents and of the talents of everyone at the level that he competes. Not a criticism of Tom D., and I dont think it's his fault or doing, but he appears to have been hyped more than his legs can deliver. He's not a Greg Lemond, Armstrong, or even Bobby Julich, he's more like a Kevin Livingston, just came with more hype attached. As a professional bike racer, there's certainly nothing wrong with being the next Kevin Livingston. I think Danielson could be a great asset on early climbs in the GTs to stronger more talented riders like Basso.
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Old 02-22-07, 01:00 PM
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Top Ten finishes in the Vuelta aren't good enough to coronate Tommy D???

Maybe he should start dating Jewel or something. Up his Hollywood Q rating a bit.
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Old 02-22-07, 01:10 PM
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Oh....umm....I dunno. I heard that back when he flew up Brasstown Bald, but then didn't hear too much after that.

He's from CT though....
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
are you saying Tommy D needs to get cancer?
No I'm just saying that perhaps the cancer was what gave Lance the determination to maximize his talent and maybe at some point somethng might give Tommy D the same motivation. Talent can't be maximized without the determination and motivation to do so. Indeed, when you have lots of pure talent, it's easy to get lazy and just get by without truly pushing yourself to excel to your full potential.

Of course I could be full of horsepucky as usual, just sayin.
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Originally Posted by chipcom
...when you have lots of pure talent, it's easy to get lazy and just get by without truly pushing yourself to excel to your full potential.
Were you thinking of anyone in particular, chip?

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Originally Posted by Second Mouse
Were you thinking of anyone in particular, chip?


well, actually I was thinking of me...but that works!
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Originally Posted by Second Mouse
Were you thinking of anyone in particular, chip?

Your honor, move to strike the last question as leading the witness.
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Old 02-22-07, 01:41 PM
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Just sayin', you know, if the shoe fits....

(It is kind of odd, though, to be using a TDF winner as an example of an underachiever)
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I think often people forget that he's still fairly young (27 I think) and except for lat year...never had an Grand tour/big race experience. Add to that the fact that Basso and to a lesser extent Levi are the main guys on the team now...and you can see how Danielson has to accept the roles he's given and hope to have a few places to shine this year and next. If he does...I think we will see bigger things from him. I don;t think it's a lack of training or desire, more a lack of experience and being on a team with at least three big stars in front of him (Basso, Levi, and George).
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Originally Posted by chipcom
But isn't that similar the rap on Lance prior to his cancer ordeal?
even before cancer Lance becoming the next greg lemond was in serious doubt. it was pretty much a given that lance could be a great classics racer but not a rider for the tours.

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Originally Posted by erader
even before cancer Lance becoming the next greg lemond was in serious doubt. it was pretty much a given that lance could be a great classics racer but not a rider for the tours.
Lance, B.C. (before cancer) did don the World Champion jersey for a year and the US Champion jersey, as well. Won a stage (or two?) at the TdF. He did win tours here in the States (Tour Du Pont comes to mind).

He wasn't a GC contender, but he did have a few significant wins under his belt while with Motorola.
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Originally Posted by cycle17
I think often people forget that he's still fairly young (27 I think) and except for lat year...never had an Grand tour/big race experience. Add to that the fact that Basso and to a lesser extent Levi are the main guys on the team now...and you can see how Danielson has to accept the roles he's given and hope to have a few places to shine this year and next. If he does...I think we will see bigger things from him. I don;t think it's a lack of training or desire, more a lack of experience and being on a team with at least three big stars in front of him (Basso, Levi, and George).
Danielson isnt really that young (will be 29 in March according to his team bio). Add that to his relative lack of big stage experience, having stronger riders in front of him in the queue on his own team, and far more accomplished and younger riders out there like (off the top of my head) cunego, valverde, schleck, the list goes on, his future as a GT leading man doesnt seem very promising. I seriously doubt it's a lack of motivation, desire, or training, with all due respect, he just isnt as good as he was made out to be.
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Originally Posted by MDcatV
Danielson isnt really that young (will be 29 in March according to his team bio). Add that to his relative lack of big stage experience, having stronger riders in front of him in the queue on his own team, and far more accomplished and younger riders out there like (off the top of my head) cunego, valverde, schleck, the list goes on, his future as a GT leading man doesnt seem very promising. I seriously doubt it's a lack of motivation, desire, or training, with all due respect, he just isnt as good as he was made out to be.
i think you are right. basso and levi are better choices for big results and the former could win the tour.

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Originally Posted by cycle17
I think often people forget that he's still fairly young (27 I think) and except for lat year...never had an Grand tour/big race experience. Add to that the fact that Basso and to a lesser extent Levi are the main guys on the team now...and you can see how Danielson has to accept the roles he's given and hope to have a few places to shine this year and next. If he does...I think we will see bigger things from him. I don;t think it's a lack of training or desire, more a lack of experience and being on a team with at least three big stars in front of him (Basso, Levi, and George).

+1 and he was involved with mountain biking before he got into road so he's starting later than some of the other guys in terms of experience.

It does seem like he is more suited to things like the Vuelta which ( I think) tend to favor pure climbers...everybody has their niche and maybe Tom D. just isn't in one that happens to be the most visual. Lance is kinda like a quarterback - people usually know who those dudes are even if they're not that into football...I can name a bunch of quarterbacks but can I name any other players and their positions (probably not, except formaybe reggie bush). It's not that the other guys have a lesser job - maybe it's just not as visual as the others.
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Talented, but overrated, and far too much pressure put on him. Did I also mention the way he looks?
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Well Danielson has to perform this year or heŽll be helping contador or brajkovic in the future....
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When he first signed with Discovery he seemed so pleased to be there: excited, positive, and humble. Now he seems such an arrogant jerk. When you talk about the Tour, you talk about serving Basso (or Leipheimer); you don't talk about taking your own chances. Well, perhaps you do but it should be subsumed by talk of teamwork; but for Danielson it's a constant theme; he's always on as if his pride has been wounded by not being thought of -- both in his team, and in the media -- as the #1. That has to be earned. Let the pedals do the talking.

As you can see, he irks me.
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
are you saying Tommy D needs to get cancer?
As always KP, you have dispensed with all the bull**** and boiled this down to the core. Well done.

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Originally Posted by CyLowe97
Lance, B.C. (before cancer) did don the World Champion jersey for a year and the US Champion jersey, as well. Won a stage (or two?) at the TdF. He did win tours here in the States (Tour Du Pont comes to mind).

He wasn't a GC contender, but he did have a few significant wins under his belt while with Motorola.
All true, but no one ever thought of him as a legitimate Tour contender, which s what think Ed was getting at.
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
are you saying Tommy D needs to get cancer?
Cancer? No. Near death, or life changing experience? Sure, why not.
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