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Old 02-25-07, 05:32 PM
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waterbottle rolling through the pack

Today's race in Gainesville, a watebottle comes loose early in the race and is rolling thorugh the group at a 45% angle.

So what do you do if its coming dead in front of your wheel? Options would appear to be 1) roll over and try to crush it, 2) try to avoid left or right, 3) jump it.

To complicate matters, it was on a cobbled section in a turn. Turns out that trying to roll over it wasn't the A answer. The guy who hit went down with his front wheel washing out, falling right in my line. (Fortunately I saw it developing soon enough to avoid running over him.)

Probably the best answer would have been to straighten his line, and either roll over it perpendicular or jump it. Of course he din't have much time to ponder the question.


The whole incident also points out that the first job of a waterbottle cage is to hold the waterbottle in. I have no idea how it got loose, but some of the uber light CF cages look rather questionable as bottle retaining devices.
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Old 02-25-07, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Today's race in Gainesville, a watebottle comes loose early in the race and is rolling thorugh the group at a 45% angle.

So what do you do if its coming dead in front of your wheel? Options would appear to be 1) roll over and try to crush it, 2) try to avoid left or right, 3) jump it.

To complicate matters, it was on a cobbled section in a turn. Turns out that trying to roll over it wasn't the A answer. The guy who hit went down with his front wheel washing out, falling right in my line. (Fortunately I saw it developing soon enough to avoid running over him.)

Probably the best answer would have been to straighten his line, and either roll over it perpendicular or jump it. Of course he din't have much time to ponder the question.


The whole incident also points out that the first job of a waterbottle cage is to hold the waterbottle in. I have no idea how it got loose, but some of the uber light CF cages look rather questionable as bottle retaining devices.
Lower category racers can be nervious when putting a water bottle back in the cage in the pack and fumble it.
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Old 02-25-07, 05:35 PM
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If it's moving left to right, I would move left if I had room. Otherwise I guess hopping it is the way to go. Not sure I'd want to run it over... I'll be waiting to see what the voices of experience have to say.
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in my experience if you can run over it straight, usually not a problem (being bigger helps) It was coming left to right. If there wasn't room to move left (I couldn't really tell whether he had someoine on his right shoulder), I would have hopped it though.
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Originally Posted by smittyben
avoid at all costs, but don't forget the fellow racers let them know its comming, they will apreciate it
The fact that someone called it out helped me not run over the guys head. As the bottle was coming across I could see he waslikely to fall in front of me.
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jump it would be my first instinct, also a little shout of 'bottle' would be nice...
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Today's race in Gainesville, a watebottle comes loose early in the race and is rolling thorugh the group at a 45% angle.

So what do you do if its coming dead in front of your wheel? Options would appear to be 1) roll over and try to crush it, 2) try to avoid left or right, 3) jump it.

To complicate matters,
it was on a cobbled section in a turn. Turns out that trying to roll over it wasn't the A answer. The guy who hit went down with his front wheel washing out, falling right in my line. (Fortunately I saw it developing soon enough to avoid running over him.)

Probably the best answer would have been to straighten his line, and either roll over it perpendicular or jump it. Of course he din't have much time to ponder the question.


The whole incident also points out that the first job of a waterbottle cage is to hold the waterbottle in. I have no idea how it got loose, but some of the uber light CF cages look rather questionable as bottle retaining devices.
cobbles in florida? where was this race, at disney world?
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I would like to think I would just go around it but I think my first response would be to jump it
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Originally Posted by botto
cobbles in florida? where was this race, at disney world?
Downtown Gainesville. I think they may be original. There are new pavers in the cross walks that are obviously for effect. But there's about a 200 meter section, where it looks like asphalt has been removed for the purpose of exposing the original bricks.

Certainly not Paris Roubaix, but enogh to bounce things around a bit.

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Old 02-25-07, 06:08 PM
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I run mountain bike cages on all my bikes. They look a bit beefy for a road bike, but I don't care.
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Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus
also a little shout of 'bottle' would be nice...
Where's velocity when you need him?
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Yikes! I've seen a few bottls fly out of bikes/hands before but have never been close to them. I've also seen a lot of expensive looking carbon cages with the bottles bouncing around inside them... not a functional cage.
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Actually my arundel is the best water cage I've used ever. It comes out easy and goes back in with a satisfying snap, I don't think this thing will come out even if I went off on a single trail with my road bike.


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I've ran one over in a race. I was lucky the cap was open or I'm sure I would have gone down. I was in the middle of the pack and it was spinning in all sorts of awkward ways, so there wasn't really any way to avoid it.
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Originally Posted by DrPete
Where's velocity when you need him?


probably working on his reading skills:

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The guy who went down was one of my buddies. It's hard to see a bottle while cornering at 20+ mph, and he said it was the guy in front of him whose cage it fell from. The let him roll back in to the pack when they came back around unpenalized, but he was only able to race for about 5 laps because his hip was all bashed up from the crash.
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this is off topic...

BUT DID THEY EVER POST THE RESULTS FROM SAT's ITT AND TTT?

i can't believe they couldnt post ANY results for SIX FRIKIN HOURS!

we had a 5 hour ride in front of us- so we all left after 6 oclock without knowing how we did!


that's crap that they couldnt post ANYTHING since NOON!
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Originally Posted by botto
cobbles in florida? where was this race, at disney world?
- there are also cobbles in Homeless City, USA (AKA St. Pete)... i use 'em to test ride different framesets...
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Hopping while turning is crashing. Far better odds to dodge the bottle.
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They posted the ITT results at the Crit this morning.
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Why isn't panicking and locking up your rear brakes an option?????

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locking up your brakes in a pack of 100 guys would be way worse than at least trying to avoid it
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If on a straight section of the course, try to jump it. In a corner, steer the opposite way it's moving, bracing your elbow for a brush with a competitor. My neighbor will tell you trying to run over it can cause some serious damage. Her husband dropped his bottle in front of her and when her wheel hit it, full of water and therefore not about to crush easily, it threw her bike sideways so fast she hit the ground and blacked out before she knew what happened.
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Originally Posted by Starclimber
Hopping while turning is crashing. Far better odds to dodge the bottle.
Dodging, you're going to have to modify your line. Jumping in a corner, you have to modify your line and sit up for a second. It all depends on how steep, and how fast the corner is. If you're doing 50kph hanging it all out in a crit I agree with you. If you're cruising along at 30kph in a relaxed RR corner then you can get upright and over the bottle easily.
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Originally Posted by mike9903
Why isn't panicking and locking up your rear brakes an option?????
Hilarity!
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