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Old 02-26-07, 01:47 PM
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Evaluate my form.

Here is a picture of me in my last race, I am in the white, blue and yellow BSK law jersey and bibs. Overall how does my form look?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/arispe/...7594557116660/

Sorry can't host the picture right now, work firewall blocks all hosting sites.
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Old 02-26-07, 01:48 PM
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Old 02-26-07, 01:49 PM
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it's tough to judge from the angle of the pic, but the frame (to me) looks a bit small. Could be the angle of the shot though.
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Old 02-26-07, 02:04 PM
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From a photo it's very hard to tell. Looks like a climb and you look comfortable enough. Head is up so you can see what's going on in front of and around you, that's good. You should probably be closer to the wheel in front of you to get into a better slipstream. Nitpicky stuff - your # looks to be pinned on a little high, and I like to put a pin in the middle (under the middle "5" of yours) to keep it from bowing out like yours is. Also, I dont like the ankle sock or no sock look - ride 'em high!
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Old 02-26-07, 02:18 PM
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Frame looks cramped, like the top tube is a bit short. But tough to tell from one photo.
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Old 02-26-07, 02:24 PM
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+1 on the photo stuff, but bike looks small. Form? You don't look like you have peaked too early!
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Old 02-26-07, 03:07 PM
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Yeah, you might be too short on top tube, but you're also further forward in the saddle (look at where the other guys are riding). I'd try to figure out the saddle fore/aft first, then worry about the reach.
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Old 02-26-07, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by waterrockets
Yeah, you might be too short on top tube, but you're also further forward in the saddle (look at where the other guys are riding). I'd try to figure out the saddle fore/aft first, then worry about the reach.
I am actually screwing with that right now, for a long time I felt stretched out when in the drops so I recently moved my saddle forward. It has helped out a ton and I acually feel comfortable on my bike, I now need to fine tune it.
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Old 02-26-07, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mike9903
I am actually screwing with that right now, for a long time I felt stretched out when in the drops so I recently moved my saddle forward. It has helped out a ton and I acually feel comfortable on my bike, I now need to fine tune it.
Your set up may work well for you. However, it is usually reccomended that you adjust your saddle fore/aft in relation to your pedals, then adjust the reach via stem length. It could be that your saddle was too far back in relation to your pedals - I can't tell that from this picture.
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Old 02-26-07, 03:26 PM
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My saddle is actually almost all the way forward, I did the string to the pedal spindel test and I am right there.
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Old 02-26-07, 03:45 PM
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I don't really know much about fit at all, but just from looking it seems like you're a bit scrunched up
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Old 02-26-07, 04:06 PM
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You looked smushed.
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Old 02-26-07, 04:28 PM
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Your shorts are too long and your helmet clashed with your team kit.
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Originally Posted by mike9903
My saddle is actually almost all the way forward, I did the string to the pedal spindel test and I am right there.
that test is pretty useless in my opinion. and if your saddle has to be all the way forward for the string to be over your pedal axel, then your frame is def too small.
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Originally Posted by mike9903
I am actually screwing with that right now, for a long time I felt stretched out when in the drops so I recently moved my saddle forward. It has helped out a ton and I acually feel comfortable on my bike, I now need to fine tune it.
Hmm. Comfort is a huge part of it, but you do look scrunched. A longer stem is likely to leave you feeling too stretched out again. I'd say to raise your stem if you weren't already at the top of a tall stack, as sometimes going too low feels like stretching out too far.

It may be worth swinging by 360CW or BSS for a fitting. That $200 could buy you more speed than anything else you could buy for your bike. Did you buy your bike locally?
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Old 02-26-07, 04:55 PM
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Yah I bought my bike from Bike World here in town and now I race for them, so I can get a 15% discount off a fitting. I think that I am going to do that with the money that I get for my b-day
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You look like you need to lose 20lbs. Yet you don't look overweight in the least. However that 'I just completed the Bataan Deathmarch' look isn't quite there yet. See the photos in the Forum of M. Rasmussen from the 2005 Tour de France.

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I'm not a racer, so...


Why are you not in the drops? Are you climbing?

As mentioned before, you seem to be scooted well forward on the saddle... I found that I was doing that, and that when I moved my saddle forward, I was much more comfortable...
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it sounds like you may need to increase your flexibility. the bike def. looks small (2-3 inches of spacers hints that the frame is too small for you and the bars have to be raised to get up to your arms), but from what you have said, i think that the shop that fit you was probably just trying to get you comfortable with that bike. you said that you have moved the saddle forward and in addition you are sitting on the tip of it. that may be a product of poor flexibility, getting you more over the pedals, and effetively flattening our your body, but also scrunching your torso even more. a rule that i have heard but have no attachment to: when you are on the hoods, your bars should block your vision of your front wheel hub and the hub should be slightly ahead of the bars when you are in your drops. (again, this is an old wives tale, but may be helpful.) that said, i would def go get a pro fit if possible, cause there is a lot going on here.

a crude means of determining if you have the right size frame:
http://www.competitivecyclist.com/za...LCULATOR_INTRO
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Originally Posted by Phantoj
I'm not a racer, so...

Why are you not in the drops? Are you climbing?
A lot of racing is riding around at a tempo pace (or less) in a comfortable position. Oftentimes, the hoods are that position. The fact that there appears to be no angle and no one seems to be on the tops would suggest that they are not climbing. Even so, I have been on the tops at times in flat road races and in the drops before while climbing, so don't think that a certain position is used 100% of the time for a given activity.
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Old 02-26-07, 06:57 PM
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i agree - the bike looks to be too small for you.
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I also think that your saddle height is too short and that you need more core strength and flexibility to get your head down. Longer bike will flatten your back fine.
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Originally Posted by DrWJODonnell
A lot of racing is riding around at a tempo pace (or less) in a comfortable position. Oftentimes, the hoods are that position. The fact that there appears to be no angle and no one seems to be on the tops would suggest that they are not climbing. Even so, I have been on the tops at times in flat road races and in the drops before while climbing, so don't think that a certain position is used 100% of the time for a given activity.
Hey, thanks for the reply. The guy on the very far left of the picture (black Giant) appears to be on the tops. The riders seem to be in the big chainring and big cog in the back... so the speed is probably fairly moderate - 15-16 mph, maybe?
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I found the pictures before and after this one, but you cannot see my form. I believe we had just come from the downhill section, that would explain why I am so far forward on the saddle. After the downhill section there were some rollers, so that would explain why the guy has his hands on the tops, or he was struggling to breath!

so the speed is probably fairly moderate - 15-16 mph, maybe?

I am guessing we are going 30+ at this point, I maxed out at 41 mph on that hill!
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Upper body looks pretty good. Your upper body is bent forward towards the middle of your back, not at the hips. Elbows bent shows your upper body is nice and relaxed.

Can't tell from the photo if your saddle height is correct because neither pedal is at 6 o'clock.

If you mostly ride criteriums, then I disagree with the others that have said you are too cramped. Being stretched out is good for long road races, but for criteriums, where you stand up and sprint a lot, having the bars closer to yout body gives you better mechanical advantage when you are standing up and pushing down with one leg as you pull up with one arm.
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