Random Cat 5 observations
I'll start with the preface that everybody has to learn for themselves, and Cat 5 races are for learning, but some things crack me up:
1)there's hardly a single corner in a crit that someone doesn't yell inside (see earlier thread.) 2) Why would anyone sit in on a hill, while the pack climbs it at a moderate pace, only to attack into a headwind on the flat just after the climb. Yesterdays race it was the same pattern for 3 laps, climb the hill at a moderate pace, then attacks break lose just after the top into the wind. 3) Yelling "get out of the way" is not going to open up a line for you in a field sprint. On yesterday's up hill finish I was pinned on the far edge of the road when the guy infront ran out of gas,and there was no room to go around. Only thing to do was wait until an opening developed The guy behind me caught in the same circumstance was yelling at me to get out of the way, like he thought I had some obligation to pull off the road and yield to him. (by the way I'm not complaining about getting boxed in, you pick your wheel and your line and you take your chances. Besides I wasn't going to win a hill top finish anyway.) To the extent there's any theme here, announcing your presence and intentions, a la points 1 and 3 is going to shut down holes, not open them. |
there's a 'hill' on the circuit where i race. it's nothing more than a bridge, and is a whopping +/- 30 meters long. nothing really, except there's almost alway a headwind right before it, and it breaks your rhythm.
ok, you get the picture. my point: IME the attacks that count don't start before, or on the 'hill', they start on top of it. |
Verbal motivation can be a powerful tool. I know a cat 1 who races lots of masters and wins often. He's very softspoken outside the peleton, but does some shouting when racing. I've heard him say after races that he didnt have any team mates in the field, so he had to use his mouth.
The thing about using your voice is you cant do it all the time or someone's going to smack you, and if used against you, recognize it and only pull or whatever if it suits you. |
I'm suprised at how many people yell things like 'slowing' and 'hole' and 'gravel'
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Originally Posted by recneps
I'm suprised at how many people yell things like 'slowing' and 'hole' and 'gravel'
Most people arn't that big of jack @sses to not point out pot holes and other road hazards. It is a unwritten code. Just because you are racing doesn't mean you have to be cut throat. (although I have seem some idiots really fight it out for a $10.00 gift card primes). I have found that whatever you do in a race will usually come around to haunt you a couple races later. There is no point in making enemies with people you see every weekend for 9 weeks in a row. |
Originally Posted by MDcatV
Verbal motivation can be a powerful tool. I know a cat 1 who races lots of masters and wins often. He's very softspoken outside the peleton, but does some shouting when racing. I've heard him say after races that he didnt have any team mates in the field, so he had to use his mouth.
The thing about using your voice is you cant do it all the time or someone's going to smack you, and if used against you, recognize it and only pull or whatever if it suits you. And "go" "allez" "pick it up", "you can do it", "get on that wheel," etc, is going to be a lot more likely to get the desired result than "get out of the way". Which might very well just get you slowed down even more, human nature being what it is. |
i'll never forget the guy who yelled "guys hold up!!!" right before everyone winded up for the sprint. we thought maybe one of the officials was yelling something so most of us slowed and looked around. the guy got a good jump on everyone. sneaky but effective.
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Originally Posted by MDcatV
Verbal motivation can be a powerful tool. I know a cat 1 who races lots of masters and wins often. He's very softspoken outside the peleton, but does some shouting when racing. I've heard him say after races that he didnt have any team mates in the field, so he had to use his mouth.
The thing about using your voice is you cant do it all the time or someone's going to smack you, and if used against you, recognize it and only pull or whatever if it suits you. by now the regular guys i race against know i really mean it when i start shouting in english (as opposed to my key-rap dutch). ;) |
Originally Posted by botto
sounds like me, except that i'm not that soft-spoken off of the bike, and i do more than 'some' shouting when i race. :D
I'm suprised at how many people yell things like 'slowing' and 'hole' and 'gravel' |
Originally Posted by WCroadie
Why am I not surprised:)
Not pointing these things out can get people hurt. However, some people tend to over do it. |
Originally Posted by botto
sounds like me, except that i'm not that soft-spoken off of the bike, and i do more than 'some' shouting when i race
Say it ain't so. You have a completely different persona online. :rolleyes: :p |
Here are some of my Cat 5 observations:
1) Myth, Cat 5 races are crash fests. Granted I only did 10 cat5 races but in those I saw 3 crashes. I've now done 4 cat 4 races and 1 45+ masters race. In the 4 cat 4 races I've seen at least 20 guys hit the deck, one ended up in the hospital. In the masters race the riding was down right sketchy, once these guys got a little fatigued they could ride a straight line if their lives depended on it. 2) Cat 5's all ride $10,000.00 bikes and roll up in Porsche Cayannes. I see the bling in every cat out there, it's not just the 5's. My personal feeling is that cat 5's are the whipping boys of amature cycling. There are crashes in every cat. There are crashes caused by someone doing something really stupid in every cat (at least according to the guys involved in said crash). There are guys with money riding uber trick bikes in every cat. The only real difference in the cats is the speed at which all this is happening. |
^^+1.
Anyway, merlin, haven't you been racing long enough to cat up? That would render the entire issue moot, at least for you. Around here I definitely see that the 3/4's race a lot smarter. |
^^^^^
May have done my last Cat 5 race. Was just waiting until I got in a little better shape. |
Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo
Here are some of my Cat 5 observations:
1) Myth, Cat 5 races are crash fests. Granted I only did 10 cat5 races but in those I saw 3 crashes. I've now done 4 cat 4 races and 1 45+ masters race. In the 4 cat 4 races I've seen at least 20 guys hit the deck, one ended up in the hospital. In the masters race the riding was down right sketchy, once these guys got a little fatigued they could ride a straight line if their lives depended on it. 2) Cat 5's all ride $10,000.00 bikes and roll up in Porsche Cayannes. I see the bling in every cat out there, it's not just the 5's. My personal feeling is that cat 5's are the whipping boys of amature cycling. There are crashes in every cat. There are crashes caused by someone doing something really stupid in every cat (at least according to the guys involved in said crash). There are guys with money riding uber trick bikes in every cat. The only real difference in the cats is the speed at which all this is happening. vis-a-vis the 3/10 crashes in the 5s, and the 4/4 crashes i the 4s: what was the differences in field sizes, and course layouts? |
When I was announcing a race in Lake Placid (1990), I made a comment as I was calling the Cat 4s to the line. Something like "hold on tight, hide the children, here come the Cat 4s!"
One guy came up and yelled at me for an hour about how rude I was to say that. It was meant to be funny. He obviously didn't see it that way. Made quite a scene about it. I never used that line again. |
Originally Posted by EventServices
When I was announcing a race in Lake Placid (1990), I made a comment as I was calling the Cat 4s to the line. Something like "hold on tight, hide the children, here come the Cat 4s!"
One guy came up and yelled at me for an hour about how rude I was to say that. It was meant to be funny. He obviously didn't see it that way. Made quite a scene about it. I never used that line again. when people yell inside in the corner that is usually because the idiot infront of them cant hold his line through a corner, that deserves a punch in the face also. it is okay to yell in races, especially if it gets the dumb and inexperienced ones out of the way, if someone gets mad punch them in the face. If none of the above works for you, put your underwear on your head, you'll feel better. |
Originally Posted by EventServices
When I was announcing a race in Lake Placid (1990), I made a comment as I was calling the Cat 4s to the line. Something like "hold on tight, hide the children, here come the Cat 4s!"
One guy came up and yelled at me for an hour about how rude I was to say that. It was meant to be funny. He obviously didn't see it that way. Made quite a scene about it. I never used that line again. After all that it was an uneventful sprint. |
Originally Posted by bassplayinbiker
when people yell inside in the corner that is usually because the idiot infront of them cant hold his line through a corner, that deserves a punch in the face also. |
Originally Posted by EventServices
When I was announcing a race in Lake Placid (1990), I made a comment as I was calling the Cat 4s to the line. Something like "hold on tight, hide the children, here come the Cat 4s!"
One guy came up and yelled at me for an hour about how rude I was to say that. It was meant to be funny. He obviously didn't see it that way. Made quite a scene about it. I never used that line again. |
I'm glad they approved my upgrade to Cat4 this morning, that race yesterday scared me pretty good.
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Originally Posted by bassplayinbiker
Should've punched him in the face, and went on with your day.
when people yell inside in the corner that is usually because the idiot infront of them cant hold his line through a corner, that deserves a punch in the face also. it is okay to yell in races, especially if it gets the dumb and inexperienced ones out of the way, if someone gets mad punch them in the face. If none of the above works for you, put your underwear on your head, you'll feel better. |
Originally Posted by botto
used to be cat 4s, now they're not the lowest on the totem poll.
vis-a-vis the 3/10 crashes in the 5s, and the 4/4 crashes i the 4s: what was the differences in field sizes, and course layouts? Still I find pretty hypocritical to say that the 5's are a crash fest when there are crashes in every cat. |
Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
that would be a legitimate reason to yell inside. These day's it's like siblings calling shotgun. Apparently some people think they get first dibs on a line because they called it.
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Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo
Here are some of my Cat 5 observations:
1) Myth, Cat 5 races are crash fests. Granted I only did 10 cat5 races but in those I saw 3 crashes. I've now done 4 cat 4 races and 1 45+ masters race. In the 4 cat 4 races I've seen at least 20 guys hit the deck, one ended up in the hospital. 2) Cat 5's all ride $10,000.00 bikes and roll up in Porsche Cayannes. I see the bling in every cat out there, it's not just the 5's. Not all 5's roll up on $5000 bikes. But some do, and to me that's annoying, and stupid. I'm of the camp that you should earn your bike, within reason. You shouldn't start on the best bike available. |
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