Thoughts on training and racing.
03-21-07, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by sverrefehn
I only know of one Cat 4 who can do the kind of training load you propose without burning out. He is on my team and we call him Goomba. If you've read "Lance Armstrong's War" than you know what I'm talking about.
There are plenty of people who can ride 300mi/15hrs a week and have plenty of recovery time. But, if you're doing what amounts to 4 or 5 days of pretty intense workouts a week, that's changing the game.
During peak race season, here's what I do:
Sat: Race 1.5-4hrs
Sun: Race 1.5-4hrs
Mon: 2hrs easy
Tues: 3hrs moderate
Wed: ride out to local hammerfest, hammer, ride home 3hrs
Thurs: 2hrs easy
Fri: 1hr easy, sprints
That's usually 14hrs minimum if both races are crits. But, unlike the OP, the only day I'm really stressing my body, other than race day, is Wednesday. The other days are just getting out, burning some calories and moving the legs. I suppose you could call that endurance work.
03-22-07, 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Duke of Kent
Ex. Phys. = Exercise Physiology.
Is any other "young" person (x<25 y/o) embarassed by this through association?
Is any other "young" person (x<25 y/o) embarassed by this through association?
03-22-07, 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by recneps
Thats overtraining for a Cat5? People have been telling me if I want to reach my goal as a cat 3 by the end of the season i should ride 300miles a week.
thats only like 12 hours a week, could anyone more experianced than myself advise a better schedule?
thats only like 12 hours a week, could anyone more experianced than myself advise a better schedule?
which "people" are you referring to? file that in "don't believe everything you've heard" section.
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Originally Posted by Duke of Kent
Is any other "young" person (x<25 y/o) embarassed by this through association?
03-22-07, 06:20 AM
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The key to handling a high volume of racing is recovery as most here have stated. To pull off a long season with a lot of races you also need to cycle. Even if it's as simple as just cutting your volume in half every 4th week (eg. the 4 hr L2 ride becomes a 2 hr L2 ride, the 6 Intervals become 3) you will find that your results in July/Aug will be much better.
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Originally Posted by recneps
My form seems to be on, my last race I pulled most of the race, rode off the front twice for about 7 miles and still was able to sprint it out for 4th.
If your purpose is to go from Category 5 to 3 in one season, you're going to need to learn to race better than this.
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Originally Posted by MDcatV
Why?
If your purpose is to go from Category 5 to 3 in one season, you're going to need to learn to race better than this.
If your purpose is to go from Category 5 to 3 in one season, you're going to need to learn to race better than this.
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03-22-07, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by MDcatV
Why?
If your purpose is to go from Category 5 to 3 in one season, you're going to need to learn to race better than this.
If your purpose is to go from Category 5 to 3 in one season, you're going to need to learn to race better than this.
to misquote Hennie Kuiper:
"first eat the spaghetti off your opponents plate, before starting on your own plate.
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I agree with what others have said. If you feel strong enough to pull everyone around, just drift back a bit and then attack hard. If you get caught and recover enough to feel like pulling everyone around then rinse, repeat. You're a racer, not a tugboat.
If you're going to be doing all the work, you should be all by yourself.
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03-22-07, 08:08 AM
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Thanks for the advise guys, this has made me just realise that I need to talk to an experianced coach.
Theres a USCF level 1 coach in my town I think its time for a talk with him.
Theres a USCF level 1 coach in my town I think its time for a talk with him.
03-22-07, 08:18 AM
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recneps, that will do more for you in the long run than we can. One thing I do like is your plan to race a lot, many on this board get a little too centered on fitness, numbers and training. This is a sport, a game. Fitness is a tool, a means not an end (winning/placing). In my mind that is the difference between a Racer and a Rider. Keep that thought in your program as you progress.
03-22-07, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Voodoo76
recneps, that will do more for you in the long run than we can. One thing I do like is your plan to race a lot, many on this board get a little too centered on fitness, numbers and training. This is a sport, a game. Fitness is a tool, a means not an end (winning/placing). In my mind that is the difference between a Racer and a Rider. Keep that thought in your program as you progress.
03-22-07, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by recneps
good advice. Point is I hate training, I like racing, and I love doing well in races. So as long as its still fun and I dont want to stop looking at my bike I'm happy.
03-22-07, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by recneps
good advice. Point is I hate training, I like racing, and I love doing well in races. So as long as its still fun and I dont want to stop looking at my bike I'm happy.
