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Old 04-20-07, 06:07 AM
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No Tour for Basso

Looks like the the Tour organizers are still going to keep the riders in the OP investigation out of the Tour. Ivan may have to submit DNA in he wants to race.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...r07/apr20news2

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I'll bet Levi is sitting there with either a smug grin on his face, or a sigh of relief.
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And I'll bet Disco is warming up their legal engine for the battle that undoubtedly will ensue. The article quotes: "I have asked the teams not to use those named riders"

Does this mean the teams absolutely can't use those named riders, or that he's asking but discretion remains with the teams? And if it's the first, then what is to stop anyone from launching a farse investigation, naming riders, and ruining their careers?
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Originally Posted by bdcheung
And I'll bet Disco is warming up their legal engine for the battle that undoubtedly will ensue.
Not sure Disco wants to go to the mat on this one right now. With the need to sign a new sponsor for next year their support for Basso might be less than all out.
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I was going to say stick a fork in UCI racing, it's DONE, but they have already seen to that.



Friggin IDIOTS.
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And until there is some real proof that Basso is linked then how can they really keep him out. A name that may or may not be the same as one of his dogs? Get real. And the phone conversation about the Italian leading the Giro doesn't say anything about that Italian being a client...from what I understand they were talking about another rider and referenced Basso (who obviously was the Italian leading the Giro).

Clearly Jan was....Jan duh. And hot about Valverde? His nickname is pretty obviously used as are several of the Astana riders.
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
And until there is some real proof that Basso is linked then how can they really keep him out. A name that may or may not be the same as one of his dogs? Get real. And the phone conversation about the Italian leading the Giro doesn't say anything about that Italian being a client...from what I understand they were talking about another rider and referenced Basso (who obviously was the Italian leading the Giro).

Clearly Jan was....Jan duh. And hot about Valverde? His nickname is pretty obviously used as are several of the Astana riders.

Yeah how can Birillo be a clear cut connection to Basso but Valve is not at all connected to Valverde.
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notice that the picture in cyclingnews is tilted sideways like the old batman movies during villain shots. looks like a hitler speech or something:

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Originally Posted by fly:yes/land:no
notice that the picture in cyclingnews is tilted sideways like the old batman movies during villain shots. looks like a hitler speech or something:

Holy crap Batman. Been reading here for a while and this just might be the first reference I have seen to Hitler.
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Maybe Basso could just submit his DNA and this would all be taken care of.
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I believe that Disco can field an awfully good team even without Basso.

It's time for Popovych and Danielson to step it up. I also think Contador could win a grand tour at some point. You never know about Levi.

Disco has some awesome talent on their squad...and they are a very deep team too.
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Maybe Basso could just submit his DNA and this would all be taken care of.
Nah the next argument that woul dbe made is that just because he didn't currently have blood banked at the lab doesn't clear him. There aren't enough bags of blood to cover all of the names...Jan was responsible for 9 of them all by himself.
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Hmmm, the legal system must work differently over in Europe. Here in the States, you're innocent until proven guilty, and without evidence, guilt is kinda tough to prove. Those Euros must be some damn legal geniuses if they can prove guilt without evidence!
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
Nah the next argument that woul dbe made is that just because he didn't currently have blood banked at the lab doesn't clear him. There aren't enough bags of blood to cover all of the names...Jan was responsible for 9 of them all by himself.
If Basso submits DNA and it comes back that he was not involved in peurto, I would think alot of people would give him the benefit of the doubt. You can't think he's innocent just because he rides for disco.
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Yup remeber in France you can be arrested without proof...
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Originally Posted by DreamTheater
I also think Contador could win a grand tour at some point. You never know about Levi.
Contador was also named in Puerto at one point...but then cleared by Spanish courts...sort of like Basso was cleared by Italian courts. IMO if Basso can't ride then neither can Contador, or any of these other guys:

Here is the list of riders named:

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Astana-Würth
Allan Davis – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 26), investigation closed by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (December 14).
Joseba Beloki – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 26).
Alberto Contador – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 26).
David Etxebarría
Jörg Jaksche
Isidro Nozal – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 26).
Unai Osa
Sérgio Paulinho – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 26).
Michele Scarponi
Marcos Serrano
Ángel Vicioso
Comunidad Valenciana
Vicente Ballester – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 28).
David Bernabeu – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 28).
David Blanco – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 28).
José Adrián Bonilla – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 28).
Juan Gomis – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 28).
Eladio Jiménez – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 28).
David Latasa – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 28).
Javier Pascual Rodríguez – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 28).
Rubén Plaza – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 28).

Individuals
AG2R Prévoyance
Francisco Mancebo – initially retired from cycling, but having severed ties with AG2R, joined Spanish professional continental team Relax-Gam.
Caisse d'Epargne-Illes Balears
Constantino Zaballa
Team CSC
Ivan Basso – contract with CSC was terminated by mutual agreement (October 18), case was dropped by the Federazione Ciclistica Italiana due to lack of evidence (October 27), has since been employed by Discovery Channel.
Phonak Hearing Systems
José Enrique Gutiérrez
Santiago Botero – case dropped by disciplinary committee of the Federación Colombiana de Ciclismo (October 2).
Saunier Duval-Prodir
Carlos Zárate
T-Mobile Team
Óscar Sevilla
Jan Ullrich
Unibet
Carlos García Quesada

Already retired or suspended
Ángel Casero
Tyler Hamilton
Roberto Heras
Santiago Pérez
Marco Pantani (deceased)
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Originally Posted by bdcheung
Hmmm, the legal system must work differently over in Europe. Here in the States, you're innocent until proven guilty, and without evidence, guilt is kinda tough to prove. Those Euros must be some damn legal geniuses if they can prove guilt without evidence!
I can't prove Barry Bonds is guilty but that doesn't mean he is innocent. Cycling wants to remove any doubt about their riders and not turn the sport into a circus.
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Originally Posted by Miguelangel
Yup remeber in France you can be arrested without proof...
And that certainly couldn't happen in the US.
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Yup remeber in France you can be arrested without proof...
And the USA as well
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
Contador was also named in Puerto at one point...but then cleared by Spanish courts...sort of like Basso was cleared by Italian courts. IMO if Basso can't ride then neither can Contador, or any of these other guys:

Here is the list of riders named:

Teams
Astana-Würth
Allan Davis – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 26), investigation closed by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (December 14).
Joseba Beloki – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 26).
Alberto Contador – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 26).
David Etxebarría
Jörg Jaksche
Isidro Nozal – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 26).
Unai Osa
Sérgio Paulinho – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 26).
Michele Scarponi
Marcos Serrano
Ángel Vicioso
Comunidad Valenciana
Vicente Ballester – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 28).
David Bernabeu – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 28).
David Blanco – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 28).
José Adrián Bonilla – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 28).
Juan Gomis – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 28).
Eladio Jiménez – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 28).
David Latasa – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 28).
Javier Pascual Rodríguez – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 28).
Rubén Plaza – removed from the case by Spanish courts (July 28).

Individuals
AG2R Prévoyance
Francisco Mancebo – initially retired from cycling, but having severed ties with AG2R, joined Spanish professional continental team Relax-Gam.
Caisse d'Epargne-Illes Balears
Constantino Zaballa
Team CSC
Ivan Basso – contract with CSC was terminated by mutual agreement (October 18), case was dropped by the Federazione Ciclistica Italiana due to lack of evidence (October 27), has since been employed by Discovery Channel.
Phonak Hearing Systems
José Enrique Gutiérrez
Santiago Botero – case dropped by disciplinary committee of the Federación Colombiana de Ciclismo (October 2).
Saunier Duval-Prodir
Carlos Zárate
T-Mobile Team
Óscar Sevilla
Jan Ullrich
Unibet
Carlos García Quesada

Already retired or suspended
Ángel Casero
Tyler Hamilton
Roberto Heras
Santiago Pérez
Marco Pantani (deceased)
Fine with me , except for Pantani, he can ride.
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Originally Posted by DreamTheater
I believe that Disco can field an awfully good team even without Basso.

It's time for Popovych and Danielson to step it up. I also think Contador could win a grand tour at some point. You never know about Levi.

Disco has some awesome talent on their squad...and they are a very deep team too.
i would just like to mirror this statement except for one thing...danielson is over-rated. Popo and Contador are overlooked, I think Alberto is one of the best talents in cycling and Popo under his guidance will do well.

i would love to see Levi be the GC man for disco in basso's absence.
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Levi's certainly showing himself capable thus far in climbing and time-trialing, the two skills a GC contender needs.
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
And until there is some real proof that Basso is linked then how can they really keep him out.
How did they last year?

This isn't about fairness; it's about the "higher judgements" of a few bureaucrats.
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Originally Posted by bdcheung
Hmmm, the legal system must work differently over in Europe. Here in the States, you're innocent until proven guilty, and without evidence, guilt is kinda tough to prove. Those Euros must be some damn legal geniuses if they can prove guilt without evidence!
No legal system is involved in any of this. The Spanish courts tossed it and no other has taken it up. Why would they? There's no hard evidence and in some cases no law broken.

That's the difference between US and Europe. Here we have rule of law; there they have rule of bureaucracy.
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This news really sucks. I had my money on Basso winning it all.
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