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Old 04-22-07, 10:28 PM
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my first race as a 4

I missed out on the local race in the dc area so I drove up to philly for a race up there.
The crappy thing about racing mainly training crits in the 5s is that the races are all
short and not nearly as well attended as a race like this. My race was to be 20 laps around this 1 mile almost square course.



There were between 70 and 80 riders in this race so it was by far my biggest race yet.

I made a TON of basic mistakes including not paying attention to my warm up, not
checking out the course, and the fatal mistake of not getting a good starting position.

I started pretty much in the back and basically stayed there the whole race. The
course was just too compact for me to get my way up to the front. It was just corner
after corner and I would be blown trying to move up and get passed while I was
recovering. I did make it up pretty far one time but of course right away I got spooked
in a corner and got sketchy and ended right back in the rear.

I managed to hang with the group until the first turn on the last lap. I got stuck behind
some fading wheels and I didnt have it in me to get around them and reconnect with
the group. It was probably for the best since there was a crash in turn 3 that I missed
out on.

I finished 52 out of 54.

I would have felt better if I really finished with the pack or WON but I think managing to
survive the entire race on the very back in what turns out to be my fastest race yet
says a lot to me about my current fitness. The according was brutal but I didnt get spit
out unfortunately and just continued to take a beating each corner.

So yeah. I am not really sure I even learned anything from this race other then i like
racing

here are the numbers and graph

race:
Duration: 43:45
Work: 619 kJ
TSS: 74.5 (intensity factor 1.011)
Norm Power: 253
VI: 1.07
Distance: 19.363 mi
Min Max Avg
Power: 0 1138 236 watts
Heart rate: 155 183 176 bpm
Cadence: 37 209 101 rpm
Speed: 8.1 34.2 26.6 mph

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Old 04-23-07, 12:50 AM
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Hey, good job on at least finishing your 1st cat-4 race. It'll be easy to clean up your mistakes and kick ass next time! Did you really hit 209rpms? Where was this on the course?
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Thanks for the cool ride report. It is always nice to see some cyclingpeaks data in with race reports. Overall I would say you didn't do half bad being that it was a big race and your first as a cat4. Better luck next time, you will improve! If you don't mind me asking, what is your weight at? I am always curious as to the relative power output of racers above me (pretty much every racer being that I am a lowly of the low cat5's ).
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Nice race, I raced that as well and it was my first cat4 race too! I raced the first Cat5 race that morning, I got 2nd, then I upgraded to a 4 so I could race this one as well. I finished 43rd. I was tired from the 5 race earlier.

That was a scarey race with poeple swerving all over. You had to move up on the inside after turn 2. I was able to stay in and near the front for most of it, I worked hard for my teamate and bridged a gap with a few laps to go and pulled him to the leaders. I was shot and he went on to win.

Congrats on finishing your first cat4 race.
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Hey, cool. I was in the Women's Cat 4 race. Flat crits aren't really my thing, so I tried attacking a few times to make it interesting. Of course it came down to a sprint. I finished in the field, probably around 10th or 11th place.

We had one crash at turn one toward the end of the race. I'm surprised there weren't more, with the crazy lines some of the girls were taking.

It was a fun event, though. I thought the promoters did a great job.

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Did I hear correctly that the same guy won both Cat 5 races?
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WTG, riskus... Hanging in there on a short lap with a lot of corners gets tough, and you're right that it's no place from which to win a race. But you hung in there and got a hell of an interval workout!

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What an uninspired crit course that is. And I'll freely admit that one of my frustrations with racing is that in some races if you don't line up near the front you basically have no chance of finishing in the money. How lame is that!?

Regardless, congrats on your first race as a 4.

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Originally Posted by zimbo
What an uninspired crit course that is. And I'll freely admit that one of my frustrations with racing is that in some races if you don't line up near the front you basically have no chance of finishing in the money. How lame is that!?

Regardless, congrats on your first race as a 4.

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Incorrect. Moving around in a pack is a skill. It's easier if you start at the front and stay there, but once you improve on pack skills, it doesnt really matter where you line up.

Riskus - good job on mixing it up, just a thought, but in the future, if you miss out on the pre-reg. for the local races, you can either put yourself on a wait list (if exists) and/or show up on race day, you can almost always get in and if you dont, just race a masters race for a good workout and fitness check. It'll save you a bunch of driving.
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Originally Posted by ohmyspokes
Hey, cool. I was in the Women's Cat 4 race. Flat crits aren't really my thing, so I tried attacking a few times to make it interesting. Of course it came down to a sprint. I finished in the field, probably around 10th or 11th place.

We had one crash at turn one toward the end of the race. I'm surprised there weren't more, with the crazy lines some of the girls were taking.

It was a fun event, though. I thought the promoters did a great job.

Edited to add:

Did I hear correctly that the same guy won both Cat 5 races?

Well done! The men's 5A and cat4 riders were tking some sketchy lines as well. I wonder what people are thinking when they pull some of those moves.

I believe the guy who beat me in the 5A was from pro pedals, not sure but his kit was red and white. I did not see the end of the 5B race.

The Human Zoom guys did a great job putting together a great day of racing, did you get any of the free bbq and beer? They had a nice spread free for the taking.
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Originally Posted by WCroadie
Well done! The men's 5A and cat4 riders were tking some sketchy lines as well. I wonder what people are thinking when they pull some of those moves.

I believe the guy who beat me in the 5A was from pro pedals, not sure but his kit was red and white. I did not see the end of the 5B race.

The Human Zoom guys did a great job putting together a great day of racing, did you get any of the free bbq and beer? They had a nice spread free for the taking.
Were you wearing purple and yellow? I was watching your race while warming up on my rollers.

No BBQ for me. I had to jet after my race and am a Veg anyway...but I do like beer.
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Originally Posted by WCroadie
Nice race, I raced that as well and it was my first cat4 race too! I raced the first Cat5 race that morning, I got 2nd, then I upgraded to a 4 so I could race this one as well.
Oh, and congrats on your upgrade. That's pretty cool. Didn't know you could do that on the spot.
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Originally Posted by ohmyspokes
Were you wearing purple and yellow? I was watching your race while warming up on my rollers.

No BBQ for me. I had to jet after my race and am a Veg anyway...but I do like beer.
No I was in a blue and black Chester County Velo-Iron Hill Brewery kit. There was an official from the USCF who was there yesterday and I spoke to him earlier in the week with hopes of catting up after the 5's. He siad he would see how I did and talk to me after the race.

The woman's 4 looked like a bigger field than normal, was it?
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Originally Posted by MDcatV
Incorrect. Moving around in a pack is a skill. It's easier if you start at the front and stay there, but once you improve on pack skills, it doesnt really matter where you line up.
I agree that moving around in a pack is a skill. I think I'm getting better at it. Still, I was in a 4/5 crit last year where the field size was over 100 and the peloton was completely shredded before the completion of the first lap. Getting up to the (very small) lead group would have required a lot more than simply moving around in a pack.

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Originally Posted by WCroadie
The woman's 4 looked like a bigger field than normal, was it?
Oh yeah. I'm guessing around 40 riders? That would even be big for a 1/2/3/4 Women's race.
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Originally Posted by MDcatV
Riskus - good job on mixing it up, just a thought, but in the future, if you miss out on the pre-reg. for the local races, you can either put yourself on a wait list (if exists) and/or show up on race day, you can almost always get in and if you dont, just race a masters race for a good workout and fitness check. It'll save you a bunch of driving.
I was in arizona when the reg opened so thats why I missed it and there was no wait list posted. I also wasnt sure if I was going to be upgraded to cat 4 by then so I didnt consider the masters event at that point. In the future I will definitely race masters if I miss the regular race.
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Originally Posted by DannoXYZ
Hey, good job on at least finishing your 1st cat-4 race. It'll be easy to clean up your mistakes and kick ass next time! Did you really hit 209rpms? Where was this on the course?
Thanks, the 209 cadence seems very suspect to me and I dont know how accurate the power taps cadence feature is but looking at the graphs it shows a lot of spikes above 150rpm after most corners. I doubt it though.
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Originally Posted by ccrnnr9
Thanks for the cool ride report. It is always nice to see some cyclingpeaks data in with race reports. Overall I would say you didn't do half bad being that it was a big race and your first as a cat4. Better luck next time, you will improve! If you don't mind me asking, what is your weight at? I am always curious as to the relative power output of racers above me (pretty much every racer being that I am a lowly of the low cat5's ).
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Originally Posted by riskus
In the future I will definitely race masters if I miss the regular race.
Around here, the Open Masters events (typically Pro/1/2/3 but sometimes they allow 4s) are harder than the 3s races.

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^^^^^
so far the races here have been no cat 5 in the masters
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Originally Posted by WCroadie
Nice race, I raced that as well and it was my first cat4 race too! I raced the first Cat5 race that morning, I got 2nd, then I upgraded to a 4 so I could race this one as well. I finished 43rd. I was tired from the 5 race earlier.

That was a scarey race with poeple swerving all over. You had to move up on the inside after turn 2. I was able to stay in and near the front for most of it, I worked hard for my teamate and bridged a gap with a few laps to go and pulled him to the leaders. I was shot and he went on to win.

Congrats on finishing your first cat4 race.
there was definitely a lot of sketchy racing going on in the corners. I was suprised there wasnt a crash earlier as there were several times people turning on an inside line ended up swerving to the outside mid turn. scary.

I made it through the 5s with not a single crash in any of my races. first race as a 4 and there is a crash.
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Originally Posted by ohmyspokes
Hey, cool. I was in the Women's Cat 4 race. Flat crits aren't really my thing, so I tried attacking a few times to make it interesting. Of course it came down to a sprint. I finished in the field, probably around 10th or 11th place.

We had one crash at turn one toward the end of the race. I'm surprised there weren't more, with the crazy lines some of the girls were taking.

It was a fun event, though. I thought the promoters did a great job.

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Did I hear correctly that the same guy won both Cat 5 races?
I couldnt believe how large the womans fields were! That was awesome to see. After 11 races and having done one real road race I too can say flat crits really arent my thing either. It sucked that pretty much every race finished in a group sprint. very uninspiring.
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Originally Posted by DrPete
WTG, riskus... Hanging in there on a short lap with a lot of corners gets tough, and you're right that it's no place from which to win a race. But you hung in there and got a hell of an interval workout!

See you at Poolesville!
after suffering through this tiny course I really cant wait for poolesville. Yeah, I am not sure I could have planned a better interval workout then this race.

Earlier I said I didnt really learn anything but now that I think about it I have a better understanding on how to prepare for a race like this.
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Originally Posted by zimbo
What an uninspired crit course that is. And I'll freely admit that one of my frustrations with racing is that in some races if you don't line up near the front you basically have no chance of finishing in the money. How lame is that!?

Regardless, congrats on your first race as a 4.

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It was very frustrating but it was my fault. If I would have took a look at the course I probably would have forced my way into a better start position. I do think I could have moved up if I REALLY put out the effort. There were 2 times I got close to the front but I would just be too burnt from getting there to fight for the new position.

like mdcatv said if you can work the pack its easier and the one time I made it up I did just road a train there but another time I was boxed in by trains on either side and the next thing you know im in the back again.

Another problem I have is that I seem to always settle on a weak wheel when im tired and just let myself follow it to the back.
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Originally Posted by riskus
there was definitely a lot of sketchy racing going on in the corners. I was suprised there wasnt a crash earlier as there were several times people turning on an inside line ended up swerving to the outside mid turn. scary.

I made it through the 5s with not a single crash in any of my races. first race as a 4 and there is a crash.
Yeah there was some bumping going on the whole race. People have to learn how to hold their line. I thought for sure there would be more crashes. There was a crash in the all three 5's I did this year.
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Originally Posted by riskus
It was very frustrating but it was my fault. If I would have took a look at the course I probably would have forced my way into a better start position. I do think I could have moved up if I REALLY put out the effort. There were 2 times I got close to the front but I would just be too burnt from getting there to fight for the new position.

like mdcatv said if you can work the pack its easier and the one time I made it up I did just road a train there but another time I was boxed in by trains on either side and the next thing you know im in the back again.

Another problem I have is that I seem to always settle on a weak wheel when im tired and just let myself follow it to the back.
Any time I started to drift back I was able to get back to the front by taking the inside in either turn 2 or 4. You have to hammer to get to the front, I find that although you are suffering, if you can hang on for another minute you are able to get back in the paceline. A big difference I noticed between the 5's and the 4's is as soon as you slow or let up in the 4's people will go right by and you can go from the front to the back real easy.

I like the crits/flat courses, it's easier for me then the hills, it was a fast race with tight corners and a big field that stayed together most of the race. You did really well. Next time you'll do better.
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