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Old 04-23-07, 11:55 AM
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Tufo Tubular Clinchers

I had two flats this weekend just doing training rides and it got me to thinking how bad it would suck to flat during a road race when there is no meaningful way of getting a new wheel (for some crazy reason, Cat 5 circuit races never seem to have the Mavic neutral repair motorcycles...)

What about Tufo Tubular Clinchers? Anybody use them? Do they flat less often? Are they easier to fix? How do they roll?

Tufo claims:

fastest flat repair
totally new, revolutionary construction
low rolling resistance
no need for rim liner
low weight
no need to use glue
the easiest and fastest installation from all types of tires, no tools required
possibility of high inflation pressures
distinctly the safest behavior in case of flats without endangering the stability of the rider
in case of emergency can be ridden flat
immediate use after installation
construction and compactness is equal to tubular tires, riding properties are very close to tubular tires as well
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Well I run S33 Specials (tubular not the tubular clincher) and I like them a lot from a flat resistance standpoint. The test data though shows Tufo tubulars as having very poor crr numbers...so apparently they don't roll all that well...they seem fine to me though.

They aren't all that light...in fact pretty heavy I believe (most are over 300g)
Yes you can put a ton of air in them if you wish
I have never swapped one out so I can't tell you how fast that goes.

Your pretty much done if you flat in a race anyway aren't you?
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What tires are you using now, G-man?
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Most RR's around here have a wheel car so I dont really worry too much about making it back. Crits always have a wheel pit..

I ride on vittoria corsa evo cx's and have yet to get a flat.. few months of racing crits, rr's, and tt's.
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I use Vittoria EVO Open Corsa CX clinchers, which I like. They're light and fast and they don't flat THAT often.

In terms of flatting during a race, TUFO claims you can fix a flat with their sealant without taking the tire off. If that is true, it seems like you could possibly limit your losses to 20 or 30 seconds and at least have a chance to catch on to a chase group or something.
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Originally Posted by Ghostman
I use Vittoria EVO Open Corsa CX clinchers, which I like. They're light and fast and they don't flat THAT often.

In terms of flatting during a race, TUFO claims you can fix a flat with their sealant without taking the tire off. If that is true, it seems like you could possibly limit your losses to 20 or 30 seconds and at least have a chance to catch on to a chase group or something.
I run the sealant all the time in my tires. Preventative measure that has yet to be needed (as far as I know). So you could run the Tufos and run the sealant and just about not have to worry about it.
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if the concern is quick flat repair in a RR without ready access to a wheel truck, the better I think is Vittoria pit stop. By all accounts it will fix most flats, and it would be fast enough you'd have a fighting chance to get back in the group.

The incremental time difference in putting a new tufo clincher on, and putting a new tube in a regualr clincher likely wouldn't be enough to make the differnece of catching the group. ( Unless you have teamamtes dropping back to help, in which case you probably have a team car, with a new wheel anyway.)

Moreover, Tufo tubular clinchers would appear to be the worst of both worlds. Although I have to admit I've never used them.
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Originally Posted by Ghostman
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In terms of flatting during a race, TUFO claims you can fix a flat with their sealant without taking the tire off. If that is true, it seems like you could possibly limit your losses to 20 or 30 seconds and at least have a chance to catch on to a chase group or something.

Vittoria pitstop can be used on a conventional clincher. I would assume, but don't know that you can use Tufo sealant on a regular clincher as well, but stand to be corrected.
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I did not have good luck with them. I went through about 3 sets of them until I said I was done. You can put a ton of air in them...pretty good ride but fixing a flat was never a good exp for me. In July here (HOT)the sealent ran like water and would never close the hole. Nice concept and maybe for a race day wheel they might work well....

Grasschopper, where do you get this data from? I would like to see where my tire is on the list if you can post a link...

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I think this is the link Grasschopper may be referencing

http://www.rouesartisanales.com/article-1503651.html
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I was thinking about getting a set to use at Poolesville (for non MABRAs, Poolesville is a local RR with a horrid stretch of gravel road and other roads with big craters that invite pinch flats). Although, aside from that specific race, I think the tufo tubular clincher is a pretty dumb idea that exploits the worst aspects of clinchers (weight) as well as worst aspects of tubulars (flat repairability). Also, if you have to stop during a race, be it for 20 seconds or 20 minutes, it's game over unless it's very early in the race and you're hellastrong.
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What part of NorCal are you from?
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
I think this is the link Grasschopper may be referencing

http://www.rouesartisanales.com/article-1503651.html
I believe that is the same data that I have seen on WW.
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If you look at the chart, it is easy to see why Michelin Pro2 Race tires are so popular...

Very good puncture resistance and pretty low rolling resistance.
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
The test data though shows Tufo tubulars as having very poor crr numbers...so apparently they don't roll all that well...they seem fine to me though.

They aren't all that light...in fact pretty heavy I believe (most are over 300g)
Yes you can put a ton of air in them if you wish
I have never swapped one out so I can't tell you how fast that goes.

Your pretty much done if you flat in a race anyway aren't you?
Until recently, I ran the S33 Special clincher model. They -are- sort of heavy and I don't like the shape they take after a few miles of riding--they sort of look flat on the contact patch. Also, brand new, they are a PITA to mount. I suggest that you mount them on a wheel for awhile before you actually need to use them.

I've switched to Tufo C S3 < 215g - these are lighter than the S33s and feel more supple. The shape is more like what you see in the Michelin Pro 2s--lentil shaped contact patch and they mount quickly "out of the box"--YMMV depending on your strength.

Regarding rolling resistance, the reviews pointed out that if you went up to 140 psi that the rolling resistance became substantially better, but at the expense of comfort. I've ridden them at 140 psi (the S3 tires are rated for 220 psi) and have not found the ride harsh at all.

Fixing a flat with Tufo tires is tool free. Just make sure that the tire is pre-stretched on a wheel (for convenience sake). You pop the bead on one side and a portion of the bead on the other, then rip it off the wheel. Next, you stretch the new one around the wheel and seat the bead on both sides. Check that the beads are properly set--if not, you'll feel a hop in the tire--and pump it up.

IME from commuting with these tires, I can change a clincher tire faster than a Tufo, but so far, I haven't had to do it, since determining that if you DO NOT run the Tufo at high PSI, you won't flat as easily. Commuting, I run them at 100 psi. But, on a "clean" race course, you should be able to run them at 140 psi, especially if they're new. With clinchers, you'll need tools and if you don't find the offending object in the tire if it's hard to see, you could find your tire flat on the next lap.

One more thing about Tufo tires is that you eliminate one source of flats. It is very, very difficult to pinch flat (snake bite) a Tufo even if it's under inflated due to the construction. If you do flat, it will be a puncture and you can mitigate that a little bit by using Tufo sealant (kind of like Slime, but it's white latex rubber suspended in ammonia) prior to mounting the tire.
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Bummer my tires is not on the list....

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i had the >160g tufo c jet tires. flated right away beyond repair.
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Tubular clinchers are like:

Decaf coffee
Alcohol free beer

In other words what's the point?
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im thinking about getting a set of these for the poolesville race too. Would they really be that much better then standard 23 clinchers on that gravel?
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im thinking about getting a set of these for the poolesville race too. Would they really be that much better then standard 23 clinchers on that gravel?
I think the pinch flat resistance is the thing that would make them worth considering. But at like $60/tire, that's much consideration.
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Originally Posted by patentcad
Tubular clinchers are like:

Decaf coffee
Alcohol free beer

In other words what's the point?
Your opinion.

Have you ridden them? And if so, did you give them a chance to show their worth or did you just give up?

The point is versatility unlike switching to "totally tubular, man". Staying with a clincher wheelset that is 1460 grams, I can ride regular clincher or tubular clincher. Currently, I prefer and I have had more luck with tubular clinchers for flats over the 13,000 miles I've put on this bike. I've never worn out a set of Michelin Pro 2s--I have a dresser drawer full of them. But, I have worn out Tufo S33s and I'm working on my first pair of S3s.

That's my experience.
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Originally Posted by NoRacer
Your opinion.

Have you ridden them? And if so, did you give them a chance to show their worth or did you just give up?

The point is versatility unlike switching to "totally tubular, man". Staying with a clincher wheelset that is 1460 grams, I can ride regular clincher or tubular clincher. Currently, I prefer and I have had more luck with tubular clinchers for flats over the 13,000 miles I've put on this bike. I've never worn out a set of Michelin Pro 2s--I have adresser drawer fulkl of them. But, I have work out Tufo S33s and I'm working on my first pair of S3s.

That's my experience.
So which would you recommend for a road race over a gravel section with lots of other poor road surfaces? I find their (tufo) web site confusing with all the different models.
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I think the pinch flat resistance is the thing that would make them worth considering. But at like $60/tire, that's much consideration.
You are looking at the wrong place.

Try http://www.biketiresdirect.com


Tufo C S3 Lite Tubular Clincher
The Tufo C S3 Lite tubular-clincher road race tire is specifically designed for use in road and stage races and triathlon. Unique construction is based on the width of the tire tread. Wide tread overlaps and protects the sidewall against damage. Underneath the tread is a puncture proof ply, coloured differently than the tread, serving also as a tread wear indicator. Right under the puncture proof ply is a breaker consisting of rubber cord composite with circumferential orientation. The breaker further shields the tire against punctures and significantly contributes to lowering the rolling resistance. Thread count underneath the tread - 305 TPI. 700C x 21mm. 115-220 PSI. 275g. Tubular Clincher. NOTE: the valves stems on these tires are approximately 32mm. They can be extended using a Tufo Valve Extender (see related products below).

MSRP: $75.95
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The clincher S33 Pro tires are in the $35 dollar range.

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I don't drink decaf coffee. I would never drink alcohol free beer.

Why? They are conceptually flawed.

Ditto for 'tubular clinchers'.

I'm waiting for a compelling rationale for this product, but it has not been forthcoming.
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I don't drink decaf coffee. I would never drink alcohol free beer.

Why? They are conceptually flawed.

Ditto for 'tubular clinchers'.

I'm waiting for a compelling rationale for this product, but it has not been forthcoming.
I'm waiting for an answer about whether you've ridden them. There are so many "experts" on this board who render their imaginative opinions yet they've never tried them. Talk about conceptually flawed. How can you render an opinion about strawbery ice cream unless you've tasted it?
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