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Well, El Diablo Rojo's and my sponsor just went kaput

Old 04-25-07, 01:13 PM
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Well, El Diablo Rojo's and my sponsor just went kaput

Man, that sucks. It was a great shop with a great group of people. I feel much worse about them losing their jobs and livelyhoods than anything else. I haven't heard the official word yet on our team yet but I'm assuming it's done too.
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Wow 360cycles went under? I thought they were one of the more successful shops in Austin...

What are the other options? Bicycle Sport Shop? Nelos?
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Originally Posted by ravenmore
Man, that sucks. It was a great shop with a great group of people. I feel much worse about them losing their jobs and livelyhoods than anything else. I haven't heard the official word yet on our team yet but I'm assuming it's done too.
I'm assuming you didn't go into a three page rant about the time they forgot to put the cap on your presta on the rear wheel and how stupid those mechanics are and how you'd never take your bike there again, and how you'd now give all your business to www.fillintheblankonlinebikesupplier.com, right? So that half of Austin would not darken their doorstep and that pushed them over the edge. And posting coupons to save $5 on shipping, or $10 on shorts. And then not understanding why the shop does not give you preferred customer discount.

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It's a difficult business. Very difficult.

Want to work about 50 hours a week for about $25,000? Bike shop's the place to work.

Very sad to see another shop go under. In about the last 10 years, about a third of the bike shops that existed are out of business.

The good news is that sometimes other shops can absorb their employees and stock. Since it's getting into the high bike season, many shops look for extra help. Hopefully that happens for them.
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Old 04-25-07, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
Wow 360cycles went under? I thought they were one of the more successful shops in Austin...

What are the other options? Bicycle Sport Shop? Nelos?
Their rent had to have been pretty high - that was a swank shopping center they were in and they had a large space. I don't know the details as to why they went under - pretty sad though.

Now I have to figure out what to do about a team, although between my work and personal life I've got a lot of stuff going on right now so I'm not sure how much time I can devote to racing and training.

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Old 04-25-07, 02:08 PM
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Maybe Michael Dell is bulldozing the whole shopping center to make room for new mailboxes.

Sorry for your loss.
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That sucks! I bought my C'dale there in the fall and really liked that shop. Great customer service and accessible wrenches. I've bought some socks, pedals and leg warmers and tubes and things over the past few months to offer them some business.

I didn't have a great experience at Sport Shop when I first moved. Nelo's is nice but has all high end stuff. Jack and Adam's is a great shop too, but they do mostly triathlon. They do sell road bikes as well.

Bummer

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Hey Rav the shop closed for several reasons, most weren't even financial but more of a personal nature. I'm really bummed as well, these guys have become more to me than just a sponsor or place to shop.

The team is pretty much now just bunch of guys in the same jerseys. We don't have a sponsor nor anyone to support. We do have some pretty cool kit though Give me a call tonight after 8:30 and I'll fill you in on what is going on and what your options for a team might be.
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Yeah, it's bad news, but EDR's past statement that their average bike sale was $3500 confirmed it for me... there's not much of a market for those bikes, especially when you're in some of the highest priced retail property in Austin.

EDIT: interesting EDR, that it wasn't so much financial...

I really did like that shop. I was in pain when it was down due to the owner's divorce litigation, as I worked in the area at the time, and it was my LBS.

I think Performance probably isn't helping, and a lot of shops are going to feel the pinch. There's a 2nd Perf going in down south, so we'll have to vote with our wallets, I guess...
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They did have mid-level C'dales and Felts, and just starting stocking Fujis. I wonder why they sold mostly expensive stuff. Now I don't know where to go....I felt most comfortable there.
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Originally Posted by drdhsimon
I wonder why they sold mostly expensive stuff.
Did you ever look around when you parked at the shop? I could throw a rock from the shop and break an $8000 window on any one of the homes in the area.
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I know...it's a swanky area. I'm just venting and bummed. Plus...where am I gonna get my custom Moots in 10 years?
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Originally Posted by drdhsimon
I know...it's a swanky area. I'm just venting and bummed.
I would be too. It was a sweet shop with good folks. Ozone is a nice shop, but a little out of the way.

There is another shop that sells Trek... They were nice. I was at a CTS book signing there a few years back.
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Hey Cypress, when were you here? Accurate description for sure. Westlake is pretty ritzy. (Btw it is where Drew Brees is from, for those that care about football.)
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Hey Cypress, when were you here? Accurate description for sure. Westlake is pretty ritzy. (Btw it is where Drew Brees is from, for those that care about football.)
I was around for the 2005 Ride for the Roses.
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Originally Posted by Cypress
I was around for the 2005 Ride for the Roses.
Hey I rode in that ride...you are thinking of the Bicycle Sport Shop for the Trek dealer that hosts the CTS and Disco book signings.
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FWIW most of the employees have found other employment. Gordon and Lanie are two of most respected wrenches in town and they told me that they have some offers. I'm not sure about Zak but Daniel was just working there for fun of it, he's lawyer and so is his wife.

DRD I'm with you, I felt really comfortable there. I would go just to hang out and shoot the sh#t. Those guys always took care of me even before I joined the race team. Austin Bikes is going to be getting all my business for here on out. It's owned by Sol Frost who is hell of guy on and off the bike. Check em out http://austinbikes.com/
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Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo
FWIW most of the employees have found other employment. Gordon and Lanie are two of most respected wrenches in town and they told me that they have some offers. I'm not sure about Zak but Daniel was just working there for fun of it, he's lawyer and so is his wife.

DRD I'm with you, I felt really comfortable there. I would go just to hang out and shoot the sh#t. Those guys always took care of me even before I joined the race team. Austin Bikes is going to be getting all my business for here on out. It's owned by Sol Frost who is hell of guy on and off the bike. Check em out http://austinbikes.com/
I've been meaning to get over there. I didn't know Sol owned it until recently. I'll have to give him some business. He's always been open to my questions on the road, and I feel I owe him for all the times I marked him on the ATC ride to make sure I stayed in the front 5 or so up 71

Great guy.

Holy crap that shop is close to my office (Ben White/Montopolis). Yay!
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The owner of my LBS just sold his stores. I think its a good time to be getting out of the bike business. We're at the top of a cycle for Road Biking, and with the inevitable cyclical decline, competition from the internet and mass merchants such as Wal Mart, I wouldn't be investing in an LBS.
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EDR - I meant to call over there today but got busy at work. Buck's Bikes is looking for a full time sales person if someone from the shop still needs a job. Rode with Carl tonight - he was decked out in his 360 kit right down to his socks...
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Wow, this is surprising. I just stopped in their last Friday and bought some shot blocks while on a ride. It did look like the inventory for bikes was low..but the mech shop was full and there weren't any signs indicating anything different...so I suspected nothing. Really sorry to hear(read) this news.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
The owner of my LBS just sold his stores. I think its a good time to be getting out of the bike business. We're at the top of a cycle for Road Biking, and with the inevitable cyclical decline, competition from the internet and mass merchants such as Wal Mart, I wouldn't be investing in an LBS.
Quite the contrary. The bicycle industry just came off a record year. In fact, where I live the biggst shop cannot keep up. They cannot build bikes fast enough. Especially in the hybrid and comfort styles. A friend of mine sold three bikes between opening and noontime on a Monday. Average bike sale is about $500. On a weekend, they'll easily take in between $70-80,000 in sales.

Cycling advocacy is at an all time high and all the ex-runners who have beat up knees and ankles are looking at cycling as their next sport. All of them are 45+ with cash, competitive, and want to go fast.
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Around on this side of the world in Japan the two main LBS's nearby me are selling bikes and have a waiting list to get them assembled unless you're "on the in" with the shop, one is a mountain bike primary shop and the other is almost road bikes exclusively. No difference in sales from what I gather of impressions from the owners.
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Originally Posted by Simoni
Quite the contrary. The bicycle industry just came off a record year. In fact, where I live the biggst shop cannot keep up. They cannot build bikes fast enough. Especially in the hybrid and comfort styles. A friend of mine sold three bikes between opening and noontime on a Monday. Average bike sale is about $500. On a weekend, they'll easily take in between $70-80,000 in sales.
That's a bit inflated. I'd say more like $20k to $30k if its a high volume shop and opened on Sat. and Sunday(and that's probably a good weekend during the peak of the season). At least here in Austin anyway.
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Not to hijack the thread, but what's with those places on your sig line not shipping to APO?




Originally Posted by NomadVW
Around on this side of the world in Japan the two main LBS's nearby me are selling bikes and have a waiting list to get them assembled unless you're "on the in" with the shop, one is a mountain bike primary shop and the other is almost road bikes exclusively. No difference in sales from what I gather of impressions from the owners.
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Originally Posted by Simoni
Quite the contrary. The bicycle industry just came off a record year. In fact, where I live the biggst shop cannot keep up. They cannot build bikes fast enough. Especially in the hybrid and comfort styles. A friend of mine sold three bikes between opening and noontime on a Monday. Average bike sale is about $500. On a weekend, they'll easily take in between $70-80,000 in sales.

Cycling advocacy is at an all time high and all the ex-runners who have beat up knees and ankles are looking at cycling as their next sport. All of them are 45+ with cash, competitive, and want to go fast.
I think you missed my point. We are at the top of the cycle. Your right, bikes are selling very well right now. Which is why now is a good time to cash out. We've been here before. First it was the bike boom in the 70's, then a bust Then it was Lemond in late 80's and surge in interest in Road bikes, and then another bust. With Armstrong and 7 TDF wins, American interest in road bikes, and racing participation is up. We're on another peak. With Armstrong gone, if past is prologue, there will be another bust.
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