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Why the %)(% can't US riders fare well in the Classics?

Old 04-25-07, 02:56 PM
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Why the %)(% can't US riders fare well in the Classics?

I see Bobby J got a US best 122 out of the 125 finishers today at Fleche. Its been grinding on me for a little while now. If the US can produce TDF winners and podiums at the Giro and Vuelta, why is Georgie the only current US pro that can ride a fricking classic?

Tyler and Lance had some good results, I guess Greg did back in the day, are there any Hard Men coming from the US anymore?
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How many US riders were in the race?

Could be the issue.
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Originally Posted by bvfrompc
I see Bobby J got a US best 122 out of the 125 finishers today at Fleche.
He did the job the team needed. I don't think they could have cared less if he were 12th or 122th.
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Chris Horner was in the lead group at L-B-L last year. He ended up 8th.
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Old 04-25-07, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by CyLowe97
Chris Horner was in the lead group at L-B-L last year. He ended up 8th.
Dang, your right, that was exciting.

I guess this year i'm jaded, Tour De Georgia, who gives a craap about Tour De Georgia?
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Old 04-25-07, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Cypress
How many US riders were in the race?

Could be the issue.
That was kinda my point as well. I think he was the only one, unless Farrer was there.
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Old 04-25-07, 03:26 PM
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Hincapie has done really well in the classics, but was out this year due to his broken wrist.
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Originally Posted by bvfrompc
That was kinda my point as well. I think he was the only one, unless Farrer was there.

I'm tired, so imagine me typing up a huge response covering how much it costs a team to travel overseas to do a one day race that is usually won by the home team anyways.
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Originally Posted by bvfrompc
That was kinda my point as well. I think he was the only one, unless Farrer was there.
kind of tough to race with a cracked kneecap. doesn't really help that he's more of a flanders/roubiax racer than an ardennes racer.
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Originally Posted by Cypress
I'm tired, so imagine me typing up a huge response covering how much it costs a team to travel overseas to do a one day race that is usually won by the home team anyways.
Thank you, I imagined a huge response, very well put, thoughtful

But aren't there a bunch of Euro based US pros? I understand that most of them were hauled back here for the ToG, but the US hasn't exactly been well represented at any of the Classics, not talking the US teams, just the US Euro riders.
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Originally Posted by botto
kind of tough to race with a cracked kneecap. doesn't really help that he's more of a flanders/roubiax racer than an ardennes racer.
Ouch, so I guess he wasn't there either.

Thanks Bobby for flying the flag
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Old 04-25-07, 04:13 PM
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And there's the general idea that American racing doesn't really provide the best breeding ground for Classics racing.
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Hincapie was 2nd @ Paris Roubaix in 2005. Americans have won Spring Classics and been on the Podium over the past 15 20 years. There are upwards of 200 UCI pros in this races. How many are American @ a given race? 5?

Do the math. Given those odds Americans have acquitted themselves nicely.
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^^^^
Combine that with the fact that the economics of cycling for an American Rider puts a huge incentive on focusing on the one race most Americans have actually heard of.
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Old 04-25-07, 08:21 PM
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^^^And that economics and fear of lawsuits prevent races in all but perfect conditions here breeding a bunch of less than tough crop of racers.
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Originally Posted by patentcad
Hincapie was 2nd @ Paris Roubaix in 2005. Americans have won Spring Classics and been on the Podium over the past 15 20 years. There are upwards of 200 UCI pros in this races. How many are American @ a given race? 5?

Do the math. Given those odds Americans have acquitted themselves nicely.

I thought I covered George, Lance, Tyler, and Greg in my OP, who raced this year? I don't want history lessons, What about today's riders?
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I think I'll start a thread asking why Belgians don't fare well in the National Football League.

Gotta go now and catch up on all the race reports from Cat V/IV riders doing industrial park crits.
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Originally Posted by bvfrompc
I thought I covered George, Lance, Tyler, and Greg in my OP, who raced this year? I don't want history lessons, What about today's riders?
give me a few years

edit: ryanf too
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Originally Posted by pinky
And there's the general idea that American racing doesn't really provide the best breeding ground for Classics racing.
That's my guess...growing up on 25 mile crits and 60 mile "road races" isn't exactly like a spring classic. The American's who seem to end up doing well are the ones who move overseas early in their careers...

Perhaps the increase in the popularity of 'cross racing here will raise some tougher riders too.
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Originally Posted by Cypress
I'm tired, so imagine me typing up a huge response covering how much it costs a team to travel overseas to do a one day race that is usually won by the home team anyways.
Cypress...

If you get Velo News, read the op ed piece on the back page of the latest issue, the April 16th edition. It's entitled "Popped, Dropped, and Stopped".

A couple of lines (the article is about the fate of the NRC US domestic teams versus the Pro Tour teams)...

"Some US riders were afraid they would not make it past the first climb, let alone the first stage."

"But as the race wore on, the domestic team's knife was blown away in the Pro Tour gunfight."

It sort of summarizes, using the Tof California, why US NRC teams are not invited to Pro Tour one day events. They would not survive.

In reality, US racing has to get away from the almost pure crit approach. The US National Development team finished two riders, as did Priority Health. Races like the recent one in Virginia help a lot.

The scary part for these guys is that the Pro Tour riders were just stretching their legs.

Races like California and Georgia give the Pro Tour teams a chance to look at domestic riders. But, last year, Bobby Julich was critical of them, saying that they had a long way to go if they had the desire to ride in Europe.

I can't recall the US rider, but he was the one that won the race to qualfy for the World's in Hamilton. I think he lasted half the race, but the funny part was in a comment he made where he was riding along and is looking at guys like Cippolini, Bettini, etc and thought, "I don't belong here."

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Originally Posted by skinny
I think I'll start a thread asking why Belgians don't fare well in the National Football League.
But do it in a football forum.

Oh, and the Belgians don't care.
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I think only 1 american even finished the amatuer paris-roubaix this year.
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Originally Posted by Simoni
But do it in a football forum.

Oh, and the Belgians don't care.
sure they do.

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Originally Posted by bvfrompc
I thought I covered George, Lance, Tyler, and Greg in my OP, who raced this year? I don't want history lessons, What about today's riders?
Try www.Cyclingnews.com for this kind of question. A quick look at the P-R results showed only one American lined up this year.

DNF Antonio Cruz (USA) Discovery Channel
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Originally Posted by CyLowe97
Try www.Cyclingnews.com for this kind of question. A quick look at the P-R results showed only one American lined up this year.

DNF Antonio Cruz (USA) Discovery Channel
Kind of the point of my post

I keep looking, just ain't seeing much.
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