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Old 04-28-07, 11:45 AM
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how long to pull?

Say you are in a small break, perhaps just you and another guy or two, where everyone is willing to share the work. Are there guidelines for how each persons pull should be? 15 seconds, 30 seconds? a minute?
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Old 04-28-07, 01:36 PM
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enough for the break to survive but not enough that you're using more energy than your breakaway companions

in a larger break, maybe 5+ riders, everyone should be constantly rotating, so you're time at the front is only as long as it takes to pull through
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smaller breaks get longer pulls, 2 guys Id say around a minute. If the other guys is toast and you want the break to keep going pull longer.
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I personally would say 30 seconds or less(what I have found to work). It just depends on how strong the riders are.
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The school of thought I was raised on has you taking 60 seconds of rest per rotation. This works out to 60 second pulls if there are 2 of you, 30 if there are 3, 20 if there are 4, and at 5, just keep on rotating.
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I think there are guidelines in the USCF handbook.
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Originally Posted by snoboard2
The school of thought I was raised on has you taking 60 seconds of rest per rotation. This works out to 60 second pulls if there are 2 of you, 30 if there are 3, 20 if there are 4, and at 5, just keep on rotating.

Good rule of thumb which I think describes very closely real world pack riding, even when you are not actually counting the time.

Counting pedal revs is a very good way of sharing the work with only 2 or three guys. "Pull for 40 strokes" is alot easier to keep track of than looking at a clock.
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I was in a paceline doing about 30 seconds with about 5 other guys and that worked well. Of course there was the one dude that kept accelerating when it was his time to pull. He ended up wasting so much energy that he couldn't keep up with us.
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I am fairly new to the sport and I have'nt competed in racing at any level (unless beating red lights counts?). I must say I am really surprised at the duration pulling you guys are talking about. I had always thought that if taking turns took place, that it would be for more like 5 minutes before a switch. Just an observation really. Why so rapid? How does one negotiate co-operation in an competitive event any way?
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Why so rapid? How does one negotiate co-operation in an competitive event any way?
Because short pulls save energy.

You don't negotiate - other riders are either willing to work for the group or not. I've been in breaks where I simply don't want to work, because I know I can't outsprint the other guys. I've been in breaks where I don't care if the others work with me, because I knew I could drop them on the next long climb. So, it's either yes or no.
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Originally Posted by dpr
I am fairly new to the sport and I have'nt competed in racing at any level (unless beating red lights counts?). I must say I am really surprised at the duration pulling you guys are talking about. I had always thought that if taking turns took place, that it would be for more like 5 minutes before a switch. Just an observation really. Why so rapid? How does one negotiate co-operation in an competitive event any way?

With a big group, the less time you spend at the front, the faster you will go.

Once you get 5-7 riders together, you can do whats called a circular paceline. Two lines, in one line the riders are moving up, in the next they are falling back. The guy that gets to the front moves over immediately as soon as he clears the wheel of the person he just passed. You are only at the front, actually pulling into the wind 5, maybe ten seconds. Everybody is sitting in protected form the wind except the guy in front. By having a fresh pair of legs every few seconds, the pack goes the fastest, with the least amount of fatigue.

In any race, if a group wants to go fast, they will always do this. Theres no cheating because everyone switches so fast.
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