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Old 04-29-07, 08:19 AM
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Schumi is on fire. Chances for the win?
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Bwahahaha!!!

Di Luca!!!!
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Originally Posted by Namenda
Bwahahaha!!!

Di Luca!!!!
lol. he was my favorite too. you gotta kinda appreciate the similarities between him and valverde. it's weird.
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Man, I was really hoping Schleck would pull it out in the end but it looks like he burned too many matches.
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Originally Posted by fly:yes/land:no
lol. he was my favorite too. you gotta kinda appreciate the similarities between him and valverde. it's weird.
What similarities?

Valverde is an excellent sprinter. DiLuca is a mediocre sprinter on his best day. Valverde is an excellent climber. DiLuca is a mediocre climber. Valverde is an excellent time trial rider. DiLuca is a mediocre time trialer. DiLuca is four years older than Valverde and Valverde already has 2 classics wins to DiLuca's four and Valverde has 3 top 4 placings in a Grand Tour to DiLuca's 1. Valverde is a strong all around rider who is favored to win any race he enters including a Grand Tour or a one day classic. DiLuca is a strong classics rider but that's about it.

What similarities were you thinking of?
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they both ride Campy?
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Originally Posted by skinny
What similarities?

Valverde is an excellent sprinter. DiLuca is a mediocre sprinter on his best day. Valverde is an excellent climber. DiLuca is a mediocre climber. Valverde is an excellent time trial rider. DiLuca is a mediocre time trialer. DiLuca is four years older than Valverde and Valverde already has 2 classics wins to DiLuca's four and Valverde has 3 top 4 placings in a Grand Tour to DiLuca's 1. Valverde is a strong all around rider who is favored to win any race he enters including a Grand Tour or a one day classic. DiLuca is a strong classics rider but that's about it.

What similarities were you thinking of?

Well, Mr. Mediocre blew everybody away today. And that was a top-notch field he was racing in. I thought his climbing was pretty damn good, as usual. And he can sprint just as well as most any all-rounder you can name. I think he looks to be in good form for the Giro. With Basso out, that'll be a great race.
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Originally Posted by Namenda
Well, Mr. Mediocre blew everybody away today. And that was a top-notch field he was racing in. I thought his climbing was pretty damn good, as usual. And he can sprint just as well as most any all-rounder you can name. I think he looks to be in good form for the Giro. With Basso out, that'll be a great race.
The problem is DiLuca is not an all-rounder. If you want an example of a true all-rounder, look to Merckx, a rider who could do it all well. There are only two real top level all-rounders in the pro ranks right now and they are Vinokourov and Valverde, and both can outsprint DiLuca. And DiLuca can't sprint better than the non-specialist classics riders like Bettini, O'Grady, Rebellin, Pozzato, Freire, on and on. Do those names count as "most any"?

I said DiLuca is a strong classics rider. I don't know why You would call him Mr. Mediocre. My point was there are no similarities between DiLuca and Valverde. And just because he won today doesn't make them similar.

I didn't mean to disparage DiLuca, just clarify the differences between he and Valverde.

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Originally Posted by skinny
The problem is DiLuca is not an all-rounder. If you want an example of a true all-rounder, look to Merckx, a rider who could do it all well. There are only two real top level all-rounders in the pro ranks right now and they are Vinokourov and Valverde, and both can outsprint DiLuca. And DiLuca can't sprint better than the non-specialist classics riders like Bettini, O'Grady, Rebellin, Pozzato, Freire, on and on. Do those names count as "most any"?

I said DiLuca is a strong classics rider. I don't know why You would call him Mr. Mediocre. My point was there are no similarities between DiLuca and Valverde. And just because he won today doesn't make that so.

I didn't mean to disparage DiLuca, just clarify the differences between he and Valverde.

Well, I called him Mr. Mediocre because that seems to be your impression of his riding ability. Di Luca is an excellent climber, and he also can hold his own in sprints. He is a contender for the Giro, and won a mountain stage at the Vuelta last year.

Valverde and Vino? I consider them very strong all-rounders, as you obviously do. I think Di Luca can ride with either of them. Valverde has no GT wins, but has the potential to win many. Vino has one, and earned it last year well after the age of 30. How old is he? 34 or 35? How many more does he have in him? Di Luca has several years ahead of him, and is strongly motivated to win the Giro, just as he was to win Liege. I wouldn't count him out.

Anyway, I didn't disagree with you about a lack of strong similarities. They follow different training and race schedules, so it is difficult to compare them except for the rare occasion when they race head to head. Like today, when they both looked great, and they both rode smart.

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Great win for Danilo.

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^^^Great pic.
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i was more interested in the comparison between the two from different years.

2006: valverde - uci pro tour champion, 2005: di lucca pro tour champion.
2006: valverde - 2nd place vuelta (all rounder), 2005: di lucca 4th place giro (but not an all rounder?)
2006: valverde - winner lbl, fw, 2005: di lucca winner lbl, agr

granted di lucca had some padding from the earlier days in the giro, but he still finished pretty well in the itt's in the giro and climbed pretty well too. as far as sprinting, di lucca isn't nearly as bad as you make him out to be. what does valverde have to show as far as sprinting goes that di lucca (from 2005) did not? iirc, di lucca beat the ilkes of mcewen, bettini, cooke, etc. in that giro. "mediocre sprinter on his best day" - i pray that you are joking.
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Originally Posted by fly:yes/land:no
i was more interested in the comparison between the two from different years.

2006: valverde - uci pro tour champion, 2005: di lucca pro tour champion.
2006: valverde - 2nd place vuelta (all rounder), 2005: di lucca 4th place giro (but not an all rounder?)
2006: valverde - winner lbl, fw, 2005: di lucca winner lbl, agr

granted di lucca had some padding from the earlier days in the giro, but he still finished pretty well in the itt's in the giro and climbed pretty well too. as far as sprinting, di lucca isn't nearly as bad as you make him out to be. what does valverde have to show as far as sprinting goes that di lucca (from 2005) did not? iirc, di lucca beat the ilkes of mcewen, bettini, cooke, etc. in that giro. "mediocre sprinter on his best day" - i pray that you are joking.
DiLuca had a good Giro in 2005, but it was an isolated performance that he hadn't shown before, and didn't in 2006, and I suspect won't in 2007. He couldn't sustain his lead through the end of the Giro because he isn't a strong enough climber or time trialer. When he won the Amstel, he beat one sprinter of note in that race, Freire, but Freire was cooked and unable to come through after the lead out Boogerd gave him. Diluca has never beaten the likes of mcewen, bettini, cooke, etc... in a heads up sprint for the line. It's not his strength. These are the riders he sprinted against to win the Amstel:

1 Danilo Di Luca (Ita) Liquigas - Bianchi 6.21.07
2 Michael Boogerd (Ned) Rabobank
3 Mirko Celestino (Ita) Domina Vacanze
4 Davide Rebellin (Ita) Gerolsteiner
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6 Patrik Sinkewitz (Ger) Quickstep
7 Bjorn Leukemans (Bel) Davitamon-Lotto
8 David Etxebarria Alkorta (Spa) Liberty Seguros - Würth Team
9 Jerome Pineau (Fra) Bouygues Telecom
10 Oscar Freire Gomez (Spa) Rabobank
11 Kim Kirchen (Lux) Fassa Bortolo

Notice Freire at the back of the group. No other top flight sprinters in the group. DiLuca normally wins like Boogerd or Rebellin-solo jumps or breaks from far out, not straight up sprints like Boonen, Freire, Zabel, et al. His win today was classic DiLuca.

Oh, and by the way, Valverde outkicked Bettini last year to win LBL. No mean feat.

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Di Luca isn't a pure sprinter but is very good from a group in an uphill finish. He's demonstrated it time and time again, especially in the Giro, which seems to have a lot of these type of finishes.

This edition of Liege-Bastongne-Liege was possibly the most negative classic I have ever watched. Too many riders at the end watching one another. Kudos to Schleck and Di Luca for taking the race by the scruff of the neck in the final.
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I really admire Schleck. Dude cracked a vertebrae at Amstel Gold a week ago and still rode like the hardman he is.

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Slightly off topic, but are Frank and Andy Schleck related?
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
Slightly off topic, but are Frank and Andy Schleck related?
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^Very cool.


Also, congrats to Di Luca!!!
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Originally Posted by Devil
Great win for Danilo.

Looks like he was listening to "Mama Said Knock You Out!" on his iPod at the finish! What a thrilling ending!
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Does anyone else think that Diluca has a large torse in comparison to his very small arms?
he looks particularly absurd in that photo
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Does anyone else think that Diluca has a large torse in comparison to his very small arms?
he looks particularly absurd in that photo
No. Because no one knows what a "torse" is...
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior
No. Because no one knows what a "torse" is...

He does look a bit "terse" in that photo, though.
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Originally Posted by skinny
DiLuca had a good Giro in 2005, but it was an isolated performance that he hadn't shown before, and didn't in 2006, and I suspect won't in 2007. He couldn't sustain his lead through the end of the Giro because he isn't a strong enough climber or time trialer. When he won the Amstel, he beat one sprinter of note in that race, Freire, but Freire was cooked and unable to come through after the lead out Boogerd gave him. Diluca has never beaten the likes of mcewen, bettini, cooke, etc... in a heads up sprint for the line. It's not his strength. These are the riders he sprinted against to win the Amstel:

1 Danilo Di Luca (Ita) Liquigas - Bianchi 6.21.07
2 Michael Boogerd (Ned) Rabobank
3 Mirko Celestino (Ita) Domina Vacanze
4 Davide Rebellin (Ita) Gerolsteiner
5 Miguel Angel Martin Perdiguero (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems
6 Patrik Sinkewitz (Ger) Quickstep
7 Bjorn Leukemans (Bel) Davitamon-Lotto
8 David Etxebarria Alkorta (Spa) Liberty Seguros - Würth Team
9 Jerome Pineau (Fra) Bouygues Telecom
10 Oscar Freire Gomez (Spa) Rabobank
11 Kim Kirchen (Lux) Fassa Bortolo

Notice Freire at the back of the group. No other top flight sprinters in the group. DiLuca normally wins like Boogerd or Rebellin-solo jumps or breaks from far out, not straight up sprints like Boonen, Freire, Zabel, et al. His win today was classic DiLuca.

Oh, and by the way, Valverde outkicked Bettini last year to win LBL. No mean feat.


Haha. "Skinny" knows his stuff.


For what it's worth, is Andy Schleck the new Popovych?
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Originally Posted by skinny
DiLuca had a good Giro in 2005, but it was an isolated performance that he hadn't shown before, and didn't in 2006, and I suspect won't in 2007. He couldn't sustain his lead through the end of the Giro because he isn't a strong enough climber or time trialer.
Oh, really ^^^???

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