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Old 04-30-07, 02:22 AM
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Tour of Virginia Antics?

Apparently, something went down at the finish of the Tour of Virginia. As someone with a passing interest (went to UVa, lived in C'ville), does anyone have any details they can share?

From the Communique:

"The following riders are disqualified from the event for fighting – UCI Penalty 30.1
–Serious Aggression - Rider #86 Jaime Carney of Alliance, #81 John DeLong, Rider #
84 Boyd Johnson, and Rider #290 Mark Hardman.
Team Alliance has received a 1000SF ($810.00) fine for aggressive violence and
unsportsmanlike conduct after the final stage.
The Race Commission will recommend to USA Cycling that riders number #86, 81, and
84 for suspension for their initiation of the fight that resulted right after the finish of
Stage 7 at the finish line in full view of the spectators and race officials."
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Old 04-30-07, 05:45 AM
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Jaime Carney??? That guy's as nice as they come.

Will research it using my vast network of contacts.
OK< I'm done. I got nothin'.
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Old 04-30-07, 05:52 AM
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My understanding is that the current Collegiate National Road Champion chucked his bike at Jaime Carney, then punched one of the other fellers in the nose. This doesn't explain why he's the only one not recommended for suspension, but that's the news I've got second-hand.
I'm from the area and occasionally ride with (or rather, behind) two of the guys in the scuffle. I've got a little inside info, but that's all.

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Old 04-30-07, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by fujiacerider
My understanding is that the current Collegiate National Road Champion chucked his bike at Jaime Carney, then punched one of the other fellers in the nose.
Are you serious? This sounded like a joke, but the rest of your post makes it sound otherwise. Obviously, there's more to the story, but, geez, punched in the nose? Throwing a bike? And not getting (recommended for) suspension?

Wow.
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Old 04-30-07, 06:44 AM
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I ride with some of those alliance guys on our training rides, they are good bunch of guys. I'm curious to find out what went down. Carney is a very strong rider.
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Old 05-01-07, 12:51 AM
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From cyclingnews.com:

"Tour of Virginia's final stage has been overshadowed by an on track incident which resulted in an off-track brawl. Four riders and a team are facing disciplinary action following the incident, which reportedly snowballed after a dropped rider dangerously re-joined the field, which led to a post-race confrontation."

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I'm not really interested in the mud-slinging (or fist-swinging) -- OK, maybe a little -- but I would like to hear how a rider "dangerously re-joins" a field. Not even specifically this incident, but as someone who might someday race again, I like to hear about what _not_ to do so I don't cause problems later on.
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Old 05-01-07, 03:21 AM
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One guy's account.
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Old 05-01-07, 03:46 AM
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I read some other things, and from what I can gather it was a pretty trying time for the race director. I think the comment was, "there were many challenges..." Like taking riders in the break in stage 7 on the wrong route. For starters. Then another rider, who was behind the break rode the correct course and ended up ahead of the break that took the wrong route.

Stuff like that...

BTW...I am certain that Alliance Environmental is extremely pleased with Carney, along with Johnson and Delong. Nothing like a moving billboard getting into a fight for everyone to see. It was three Alliance guys on one UVA rider. Nice. A quick scan of the final order is Alliance finishing three riders, best was in the 80's. Nice effort.

The UVA guy sounds like a real d!ck. The final was such a mess and he attacks. What that guy does not get is that everyone will remember him. For a real long time, he'll need to lay low with this bunch. Try racing with these guys again and life is a living hell. But that still does not excuse sponsored riders beating the crap out of him.

The UVA guy, Hardman, that started the whole thing is the guy in the champs jersey.
Funny thing is he was in 14th place, like four and a half minutes back after stage six.

BTWII...one very cool thing about this race was Team Type 1 Monitored by Freestyle. All the guys on that team are diabetic. I think their top rider finished 26, and he did it on his own (I don't think anyone else on his team finished the race). Very nice effort.

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Old 05-01-07, 07:23 AM
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LOL. What is it about Jaime Carney that makes other riders want to knock him off his bike all the time?
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior
BTW...I am certain that Alliance Environmental is extremely pleased with Carney, along with Johnson and Delong. Nothing like a moving billboard getting into a fight for everyone to see. It was three Alliance guys on one UVA rider. Nice. A quick scan of the final order is Alliance finishing three riders, best was in the 80's. Nice effort.
So right after the final stage someone throws their bike at you causing you to crash, what would you do? This kid could have caused Carney serious injuries, he didn't and I am not a big advocate of violence but sometimes the only thing that will teach someone a lesson is to kick their arse.

Apparently Hardman was acting like hot ***** all week then pulls his crap on a protested lap and celebrates for 12th place? I think he got what he deserved.
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Originally Posted by WCroadie
So right after the final stage someone throws their bike at you causing you to crash, what would you do? This kid could have caused Carney serious injuries, he didn't and I am not a big advocate of violence but sometimes the only thing that will teach someone a lesson is to kick their arse.

Apparently Hardman was acting like hot ***** all week then pulls his crap on a protested lap and celebrates for 12th place? I think he got what he deserved.

Yep, from the original post, sure does sound like they responded appropriately. Remember from grade school when you'd be told that "two wrongs don't make a right"? They should have acted like adults and shown some restraint instead of embarrassing themselves, their sponsor, the promoter, the race, other sponsors, and the sport of cycling in general. Then they probably would have avoided whatever fine and suspension they receive.
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Correct two wrongs don't make a right. And yes a better man would have shown some restraint but when someone does something so careless(as ghost riding your bike into another rider) that could have cause serious harm, that's where I'd draw the line.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying if someone causes you to crash during a race because they did something stupid you should punch them. This is after the race is over, in my book that's just wrong. I am not trying to convince anyone to agree with me, just stating how I feel.
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Bike race fist fights are typically pretty comical anyway, with all the sliding around and stumbling... props to those with the foresight to carry their cleat covers so they could have enough traction to throw punches with something behind them.
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Originally Posted by WCroadie
Correct two wrongs don't make a right. And yes a better man would have shown some restraint but when someone does something so careless(as ghost riding your bike into another rider) that could have cause serious harm, that's where I'd draw the line.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying if someone causes you to crash during a race because they did something stupid you should punch them. This is after the race is over, in my book that's just wrong. I am not trying to convince anyone to agree with me, just stating how I feel.
Gotcha. I'd have been pretty hot too if in that situation and it's easy to monday morning qb over the internet.
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Originally Posted by WCroadie
(as ghost riding your bike into another rider)
Can someone explain what 'ghost riding' is?
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Originally Posted by gcl8a
Can someone explain what 'ghost riding' is?
It's when the bike is propelled without a rider on it, thereby appearing to be ridden by a ghost.

Typically you grab the seat with one hand and your bars with the other and shove.
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Originally Posted by gcl8a
Can someone explain what 'ghost riding' is?
you jump off your bike while its still rollding and its keeps on going without you on it.

Ive never done it with clipless pedals, I figure id probably get one foot out and not have a hand on the bars.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekeKAN9MuvQ
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Originally Posted by recneps
you jump off you bike while its still rollding and its keeps on going without you on it.
Ah. Makes sense.

<tries to resist urge to re-open 'how does a bike turn' thread>
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Originally Posted by MDcatV
Gotcha. I'd have been pretty hot too if in that situation and it's easy to monday morning qb over the internet.
Good point.
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Originally Posted by WCroadie
So right after the final stage someone throws their bike at you causing you to crash, what would you do? This kid could have caused Carney serious injuries, he didn't and I am not a big advocate of violence but sometimes the only thing that will teach someone a lesson is to kick their arse.

Apparently Hardman was acting like hot ***** all week then pulls his crap on a protested lap and celebrates for 12th place? I think he got what he deserved.
If painfully obvious that you have never raced anything close to a level where people are paying a decent amount of money to have the name of their company on your torso.

In many years of doing just that, the rule was never do something in public that will embarrass the sponsor.

There are many ways to take care of situations like this. But you'd have to have been around a higher category block a few times to understand that. Hey, maybe they beat the crap out of him because he's suspended for the near future, including the collegiate championships. It would have taken too long to pay him back.

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Originally Posted by roadwarrior
Hey, maybe they beat the crap out of him because he's suspended for the near future, including the collegiate championships.
According to the report, Hardman was not recommended for suspension to the USCF. The university might have other ideas, I suspect, just as the other guys' team will likely have some discussions with them.
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior
If painfully obvious that you have never raced anything close to a level where people are paying a decent amount of money to have the name of their company on your torso.
I never pretended that I did, and I never will. I am 33 and have been riding a bike for a little over a year, I'm a cat4 like a ton of other people on here.

In many years of doing just that, the rule was never do something in public that will embarrass the sponsor.
Good, and when someone does something to me on purpose after a race to try to physically harm me, I will take matters into my own hands. I am all about not embarassing the sponsors, but what if Carney had fell, broken his neck/back whatever and was unable to make a living. I am sure the sponsors would pony up money so he'd be taken care of right?

There are many ways to take care of situations like this. But you'd have to have been around a higher category block a few times to understand that. Hey, maybe they beat the crap out of him because he's suspended for the near future, including the collegiate championships. It would have taken too long to pay him back.
OK I get it, you, obviously are a superb bike rider who people pay a lot of money to have you wear their names on your kit. So tell me what you would do if this happened to you? Have you never been caught up in the heat of the moment? I am sure Jame wished he'd handled it differently, he may be suspended and will have to deal with that. All I am saying is I can't fault him for what he did and Hardman deserved a whooping.
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Carney's been invovled with a fracas or two at Lehigh if I remember correctly. He's a sprinter not an angel. And Hardman will get his, just wait...
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I see Hardman having a lot of crashes this season. Pro's know how to ride a tight line, and they know how to let it drift to the gutter coming out of a turn and chop, too.
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