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Old 04-30-07, 10:59 AM
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Hamilton Suspended

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Saw that coming...eh it isn't like he was going to be an impact anyway...he has been riding like packfodder all season.
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Another twin, perhaps?

I can't really be disappointed, however, since I have absolutely zero respect for the guy.
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Originally Posted by grebletie
Another twin, perhaps?

I can't really be disappointed, however, since I have absolutely zero respect for the guy.
Nah same twin...this isn't new doping...god I hope he hasn't been doping this season...hell his results show he may be the one currently clean rider in the peleton

This is for stuff that happened 3-4 years ago and he will wind up with a lifetime bann because of it...unless he can somehow get people to agree that because this is exactly what he was caught doing that he has already been suspended for it... Is there a double jepardy rule in cycling?
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Not so fast....

From PezCycling News....
On the heels of this new report, Tinkoff is looking to be in a really tight spot, and has announced that both Tyler Hamilton and Joerg Jaksche will not be participating in the upcoming Giro d'Italia, and there's talk of suspending them until the team receives further clarification.

That's what La Gazzetta said...now VeloNews has it from Tinkoff director Omar Piscina that this patently false: "For me, Tyler and Jörg can start the Giro. Stories that they are suspended are not true. Tinkoff has a list of 12 riders that can go to the Giro. Tyler is on that list and we expect him to race."
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OOO the plot thickens.
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Why don't all the powers that be, UCI, ASO, all the National Federations, the Giro and the Vuelta, just all stipulate that if you're implicate in OP, you can't race until you submit a DNA sample.

May be a legal hurdle here and there, but the Organizers at least have the power to set the standards for who they invite totheir races.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Why don't all the powers that be, UCI, ASO, all the National Federations, the Giro and the Vuelta, just all stipulate that if you're implicate in OP, you can't race until you submit a DNA sample.

May be a legal hurdle here and there, but the Organizers at least have the power to set the standards for who they invite totheir races.
The powers that be just refuse to work together
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Why don't all the powers that be, UCI, ASO, all the National Federations, the Giro and the Vuelta, just all stipulate that if you're implicate in OP, you can't race until you submit a DNA sample.
My understanding was that some of the bags were centrifuged to separate the red blood cells, which wouldn't have any dna.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Why don't all the powers that be, UCI, ASO, all the National Federations, the Giro and the Vuelta, just all stipulate that if you're implicate in OP, you can't race until you submit a DNA sample.
The problem with cycling is that there are just too many powers that be.

Say what you will about American major team sports and their players unions, but a proper union that enters into a collective bargaining agreement with the league and team owners goes a long way to clarifying the rules regarding: due process including appeals before suspension begins, lab procedures, etc.

As we've seen, a powerful union like baseball's players have can stave off drug testing for a long time, while the NFL can get a defined methodology going to start addressing drug problems (ie 4 games first offense, full season second offense, but only after play appeal is heard).

Cyclists are all on their own against whoever might be in charge of the next event. No consistency = big PR nightmare for everyone.
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Originally Posted by CyLowe97
The problem with cycling is that there are just too many powers that be.

Say what you will about American major team sports and their players unions, but a proper union that enters into a collective bargaining agreement with the league and team owners goes a long way to clarifying the rules regarding: due process including appeals before suspension begins, lab procedures, etc.

As we've seen, a powerful union like baseball's players have can stave off drug testing for a long time, while the NFL can get a defined methodology going to start addressing drug problems (ie 4 games first offense, full season second offense, but only after play appeal is heard).

Cyclists are all on their own against whoever might be in charge of the next event. No consistency = big PR nightmare for everyone.
I agree. Unfortunately, I don't think any of these organizations want to relinquish any control. Read that: they all have a financial stake and they don't want to lose out. It'd take one heck of a leader / consensus builder to bring them together.
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DNA testing is useless for Hamilton. They have documentation for his doping from pre-ban seasons. The alleged relationship with Fuentes is the same doping he served two years suspension for- what is the point of a two year ban here?

I think that I'm done paying attention to pro-cycling. Not because of the doping cyclists but because of the idiocy of the authorities. The only thing less ethical than the dopers is the methods used trying to catch them.

It's a great sport but I have felt for some time that it's not worth my time. Oh well.
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DNA testing is useless for Hamilton. They have documentation for his doping from pre-ban seasons. The alleged relationship with Fuentes is the same doping he served two years suspension for- what is the point of a two year ban here?

I think that I'm done paying attention to pro-cycling. Not because of the doping cyclists but because of the idiocy of the authorities. The only thing less ethical than the dopers is the methods used trying to catch them.

It's a great sport but I have felt for some time that it's not worth my time. Oh well.
Yeah, I mostly like just seeing a race on the day it happens, and not caring about it one bit before or after. Landis' attack is still one of my favorite days of racing, as is Tyler's big attack with the busted up collar bone. It's much more enjoyable to live in the moment than to care about what happened before or after.

If I had money tied up in pro racing, it would be different, but as a fan, I can just watch and ignore at my leisure.
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From Cycling News:

the American denied any involvement in Operación Puerto, saying last May that "I have not been treated by Dr. Fuentes. I have not done what the article alleges. In addition, I have never been contacted by authorities in Spain regarding these allegations. Also, I have no blood, or arms, or legs from which to withdraw blood for that matter. Look at my cute dog. Therefore, it is also impossible to comment on a situation I have no knowledge of."

I might have added a little in there.
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In that same interview he also was VERY willing to give a DNA sample...he pulled some hair out and offered it to the reporter. I would say he is probably in a good position in regards to the blood bags...how long would they keep them around? This thing happened when he was banned so I would think he would be smart enough to call Fuentes when he got banned and told him to dump all of his blood...or Fuentes would be smart enough to do it if one of his riders got caught in cometition...especially when you or someone in your lab screwed up and that is the reason 2 of your riders got caught (Tyler and the other Phonak rider dinged at the same time).
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They all should just retire. They should ban anyone under the age of 12. Sure - cycling will take a hiatus, but without any riders from now until approx. 2015 - 2017, they can institute all of the rules without any push back from overpaid playboys pulling a fast one on the public. Then when all the 12 year-olds with talent want to race in the pro ranks, they will have to enter into a sport with actual true testing regimens in place.

And as for Hamilton, it is pretty clear he is clean this year.

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My understanding was that some of the bags were centrifuged to separate the red blood cells, which wouldn't have any dna.
Any batch of RBCs will have some WBCs in them, they can get DNA from this.
 
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So Fuentes was storing 2 year old blood of Hamilton's out of the charity? Or was Hamilton still doping last summer when he couldn't compete?

I would think Hamilton would have fired the doctor that couldn't hide his doping two years ago. My doctor screws up like that and I get a new one (if I live).
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
OOO the plot thickens.
EPO thickens blood AND plots.
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Velonews says this story is BS
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I saw the Velonews debunking too...

I'm surprised, though, that Hamilton hasn't caught much flak from Puerto, because he had a lot of evidence against him. Is it that he was already "doing the time" for doping and they left him alone? Based on the schedules, receipts, etc. that were released to the press, you'd have to think that if he actually took the stuff there'd be enough to call it a second offense and get a permanent ban.

I'm guessing that double jeopardy isn't much of an issue in kangaroo court anyway...
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Based on his results thus far this season, I'm pretty sure no one can accuse Hamilton of doping at the moment.
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I can sympathize with the bastd. Being even slightly sick will kick your ass in a one day race, a SR must be hell with a cold.

The toothache during the ToG though, I dunno about that one
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Pcad is not doping. For my first witness I call: Killer Penguin.
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