Simoni or Cunego or...?
Personally I'm hoping Simoni wins but I'm betting it's going to be Cunego. There's some great Hinault-Lemond history between the two going on there. Unlike Lemond in 1985 (when he simply complained about not being allowed to win a race he felt he could win), Cunego actually attacked his own teammate and team leader! Simoni had won the previous year (and two years before that) and held the Maglia Rosa and yet Cunego took it away from him!
While I don't think "tradition" needs to rule, i do think that a team is important and if you were hired to help Simoni win, you should be doing that. Simoni could have won with Cunego's help as he placed third only 2 min 5 sec back from Cunego and only 3 sec behind the 2nd place finisher. So I'm hoping that this year it's Simoni first and Cunego second, with Cunego losing on a huge mountain stage (17 - Zoncolan?). What do you guys think? |
Cunego! Well stated argument regarding the Cunego/Simoni Giro, but if Simoni had the legs, he could have followed Cunego. IMO, the strongest won.
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Originally Posted by MDcatV
Cunego! Well stated argument regarding the Cunego/Simoni Giro, but if Simoni had the legs, he could have followed Cunego. IMO, the strongest won.
AND perhaps most importantly, Cunego (and the other riders) had been dropped by Simoni before Cunego worked WITH Cioni and Honchar of RIVAL teams to pull back Simoni!! 1. Dropped by Simoni http://grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs...8/$file/12.jpg 2. Pulling Simoni back http://grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs...8/$file/13.jpg 3. Dropping your team leader http://grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs...8/$file/14.jpg |
I'll be rooting for Cunego, but Savoldelli is in great form.
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Celebrating with the team (without Simoni):
http://grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs...20/$file/2.jpg Simoni puts on a brave face to celebrate with Cunego: http://grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs...20/$file/8.jpg |
Originally Posted by MDcatV
Cunego! Well stated argument regarding the Cunego/Simoni Giro, but if Simoni had the legs, he could have followed Cunego. IMO, the strongest won.
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Originally Posted by donrhummy
Sure but one could also argue that if Cunego had been working for Simoni, he might have had the legs. And in fact, earlier in the race, Simoni had helped Cunego get a stage win by giving him a lead out. Maybe Simoni was too nice/giving with Cunego.
AND perhaps most importantly, Cunego (and the other riders) had been dropped by Simoni before Cunego worked WITH Cioni and Honchar of RIVAL teams to pull back Simoni!! 1. Dropped by Simoni http://grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs...8/$file/12.jpg 2. Pulling Simoni back http://grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs...8/$file/13.jpg 3. Dropping your team leader http://grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs...8/$file/14.jpg |
Originally Posted by Dial_tone
True but something about Simoni blaming his grandmother for sending him cocaine-laden chocolates or whatever just makes me want to *****slap him.
I'm liking Salvoldelli this year, or Cunego, but there is a high chance that one or more of these guys never even make it to the start due to OP. I'm leaving for Torino Saturday, and will see at least three stages, including Zoncolon. Does anyone know of a link to the starting riders for each team?? |
Originally Posted by Devil
I'll be rooting for Cunego, but Savoldelli is in great form.
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Originally Posted by DocRay
I hate Simoni, he relies more on head games than his legs.
I'm liking Salvoldelli this year, or Cunego, but there is a high chance that one or more of these guys never even make it to the start due to OP. I'm leaving for Torino Saturday, and will see at least three stages, including Zoncolon. Does anyone know of a link to the starting riders for each team?? cyclingnews has the start list posted. |
Originally Posted by DocRay
I hate Simoni, he relies more on head games than his legs.
I'm liking Salvoldelli this year, or Cunego, but there is a high chance that one or more of these guys never even make it to the start due to OP. I'm leaving for Torino Saturday, and will see at least three stages, including Zoncolon. Does anyone know of a link to the starting riders for each team?? |
Originally Posted by daytonian
Salvoldelli did look strong at Romandie.
... Brad |
Originally Posted by DocRay
Does anyone know of a link to the starting riders for each team??
Giro releases preliminary start list Hamilton not on Tinkoff roster This report filed May 7, 2007 Giro d'Italia organizers on Monday released a preliminary start list for this year's national tour of Italy, which is slated to begin on Saturday. In the absence of Ivan Basso, who on Monday confessed to his involvement in the Operación Puerto doping scandal, organizers have given the returning champion's number plate - the No. 1 - to reigning world champion Paolo Bettini (Quick Step). There are four North Americans on the 188-rider list, including Americans George Hincapie (Discovery), David Zabriskie (CSC), Aaron Olson (T-Mobile) and Mexican Julio Alberto Perez Cuapio (Ceramica Panaria - Navigare). Notably absent is Tinkoff's Tyler Hamilton, who the team reported would be on its roster, despite earlier reports that he, too, had been mentioned in documents related to the Puerto case. Start List - 2007 Giro d'Italia QUICKSTEP - INNERGETIC 1. Paolo Bettini (I) 2. Addy Engels (Nl) 3. 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Originally Posted by DocRay
I'm liking Salvoldelli this year, or Cunego, but there is a high chance that one or more of these guys never even make it to the start due to OP.
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simoni is such a cry baby that i hope cunego wins just to make him more mad
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Originally Posted by Dial_tone
True but something about Simoni blaming his grandmother for sending him cocaine-laden chocolates or whatever just makes me want to *****slap him.
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Originally Posted by KramerTC
When did this happen?!
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Originally Posted by RockyMtnMerlin
Believe it was 2002. Also blamed it on his dentist. Can't remember if it was before or after saying the candy from Grandma was what caused it (the positive).
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Originally Posted by donrhummy
Right but they tested the candy (from Columbia) and it DID have cocaine in it. Still, you're right he might have bought them himself. Still, while I don't support him taking cocaine, on the other hand at least he's not cheating with performance enhancing drugs.
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Originally Posted by donrhummy
Right but they tested the candy (from Columbia) and it DID have cocaine in it. Still, you're right he might have bought them himself. Still, while I don't support him taking cocaine, on the other hand at least he's not cheating with performance enhancing drugs.
Seriously, does anyone actually believe that a "cokehead" could podium a grand tour? He may not be clean but it ain't cocaine thats fueling the engine. I think this is Cunego's year, Salvodelli will lose too much time on some of this years monster mountain stages and a 30 something coked-out Simoni (remember John Belushi as king-of-the-coneheads) probably isn't a threat. |
Originally Posted by Ernesto Schwein
Seriously, does anyone actually believe that a "cokehead" could podium a grand tour? He may not be clean but it ain't cocaine thats fueling the engine.
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Originally Posted by Cromulent
Uh... paging Mr. Pantani? Marco? You there? Oops. Still... won the TdF and the Giro.
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Originally Posted by Cromulent
Uh... paging Mr. Pantani? Marco? You there? Oops. Still... won the TdF and the Giro.
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It's funny how some of these riders are. Savoldelli is 30-something (33?) and looks like 25. Then there
are guys who are around the same age as him who look more like 50. Like that German guy who was 3rd at worlds. |
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