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Old 05-16-07, 09:28 PM
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Advice on brakes for carbon hoops in wet conditions

Hi out there,
Wondering if anyone has any input on the topic. I've been using KoolStop carbon specific pads for a couple of years now but find they aren't very good when things get wet. Even though my Eastons are ceramic impregnated it really isn't noticeable. I race in Oregon and Washington mostly, lots of big climbs (and of course descents!) where it's frequently bucketing rain when racing. Descending with feeble brake action is getting old (and dangerous). Anyone have something different/better they'd recommend to try???
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Old 05-16-07, 09:29 PM
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There is always the Campagnolo carbon-specific brakepads if you think they would be worth a shot.
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the zipp pads work alright when wet.. but i dont think you will ever achieve good wet braking with carbon surface.. it would make dry braking too severe.
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campag, Corima or Zipp pads will work fine.....but you'll never get the bite on carbon in the wet you can with alu rims.
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Originally Posted by ed073
campag, Corima or Zipp pads will work fine.....but you'll never get the bite on carbon in the wet you can with alu rims.
Wrongo, my drought stricken friend.

I use the Kool Stop Salmon/Black pads on my Reynolds in the wet and they provide better stopping power than the same pads or even the straight salmon pads on aluminum rims in wet conditions. Experience from three different races BTW, one of which had 6000' of technical descent.

Good practice to feather the brakes a bit if you can, there's a pretty significant step up in power after the water is shed off the rim.
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you use the alum. compund pads on the carbons Vino? Has it left any marks on the rim or gouges?
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Originally Posted by jrennie
you use the alum. compund pads on the carbons Vino? Has it left any marks on the rim or gouges?
Nope. The carbon compound is actually much harder than the regular compounds, it would be more likely to cause issues and hold impregnated material longer. Carbon rims will burn up non-carbon specific pads fairly quickly, once we're out of the (potentially) wet season I swap back to the carbon specifics on the front, but keep the dual compound in the back because I don't use much rear brake and I find they provide a much better feel.

And I do swap my wheels back and forth from carbon to alu on occasion, but I always wipe down the pads and check them for "bits". Never had an issue, and given that they are running all carbon tubulars as the wheel of choice in cyclocross now, my gut tells me this issue is overblown. Most of the folks who parrot the doom and gloom of switching back and forth either haven't ever had an issue and are just repeating something they heard, or (in most cases) don't even own carbon hoops.
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Originally Posted by Vinokurtov
Wrongo, my drought stricken friend.

lol....bloody dry here.
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