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Old 05-27-07, 05:34 PM
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giro stage 15 spoilers

di luca is a beast. i dont know how he can do this consistently. Its got to be frustrating simoni. Cunego is looking rough.
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Old 05-27-07, 05:55 PM
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so far, di luca is the easy, early season favorite for doper of the year. once unable to hang in for the duration of the grand tours, now suddenly dominating one. HMMMM...someone's doing something right
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Or maybe, just maybe it's because he's been clean all along - and the other guys who were juiced to the gills are afraid to use their racing preparations, and it's leveled the playing field.
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^how cool would that be?
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Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus
Or maybe, just maybe it's because he's been clean all along - and the other guys who were juiced to the gills are afraid to use their racing preparations, and it's leveled the playing field.
Sorry, I've been watching cycling for too long to fall for that one... Who's his doctor??? Dr. Carlos Santuccione Plus, even more surprising is Mazzoleni's performance...
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hey can you guys take that crap to the doping forum?
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Originally Posted by Chucklehead
so far, di luca is the easy, early season favorite for doper of the year. once unable to hang in for the duration of the grand tours, now suddenly dominating one. HMMMM...someone's doing something right
I wouldn't quite call what he's doing domination. He looked fairly knackered when he crossed the line.
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Originally Posted by riskus
hey can you guys take that crap to the doping forum?
ROFL. Maybe I should post a poll regarding the creation of a doping subforum.

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Di Luca got popped for doping once already, so you'd guess that either he found El Ultimo Doctore or he is, in fact, riding clean.

Given Cunego's performance thus far, I'll Nostrodamus and say that he'll suddenly have a great stage soon. And if he does, it'll be because he took a bag or two the night before (see his final TDF TT). You heard it here first.

Simoni, of course, is a complete nut job off the bike, but it's hard not to root for the guy on the bike. I've never seen a single mg of quit in that guy.

Really great stage to watch today. A real bike race.
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Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo
I wouldn't quite call what he's doing domination. He looked fairly knackered when he crossed the line.

everyone did at the top of that climb.
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You guys all missed the most important event in today's stage. Julio Perez Cuapio took the Devil's pitchfork and stuck Simoni in the butt with it.

Edit - right poker wrong pokee - Our own Red Devil set me straight - see below.

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Originally Posted by RockyMtnMerlin
You guys all missed the most important event in today's stage. Julio Perez Cuapio took the Devil's pitchfork and stuck Simoni in the butt with it.
It was Piepoli he stabbed wasn't it?
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Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo
It was Piepoli he stabbed wasn't it?
Oops you are right. Guess you, of all people, would have caught that.
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Man, this year's Giro is among the best I've ever seen! Another great stage. Too bad Simoni lost that time but he encouraged his guys to go for the stage win too early and I think he was more worn from the previous day than he thought and without teammates to help he was a little burned out when he hit that last mountain. If he's going to win this thing he's gonna need some amazing riding tuesday and wednesday. Zoncolan offers his best chance to get huge time on everyone, but it ain't gonna be easy.

BTW, I love mountain top finishes. They really need more of them. Watching the cyclists burn themselves out at the finish line is really cool!
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Di Luca is proving to be a worthy wearer of the pink jersey, I thought he rode with some smarts today. Simoni must have lost a little zip from the previous days exploits but I'm sure he'll be back for a good showing on Monte Zoncolan.
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I don't know too much about racing yet, but is it a bit weird to have your two strongest teammates up the road going for the stage? Would it not have been better to have them back and helping Simoni? With 3 guys it could have been attack after attack against Di Luca to break him and give Simoni a chance to gain some time.

Instead two teammates take a 1-2 win, Ricco is now close to Simoni in standings, and Simoni lost time to Di Luca.
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Originally Posted by rich007
Sorry, I've been watching cycling for too long to fall for that one... Who's his doctor??? Dr. Carlos Santuccione Plus, even more surprising is Mazzoleni's performance...
Di Luca, Mazzoleni and Dr Santuccione were all caught up in the Italian police's Operation Oil For Drugs. As far as I know the investigation is still open.

Here's what the Daily Peloton said about it last October:

"Dr. Carlos Santuccione is another colleague of Conconi and Ferrari from Ferrara institute. Allegedly known as “Ali the Chemist”, Santuccione was suspended from acting as a physician from 1995-2000 by CONI. Despite this, he was a much sought after person among several high-profile stars of the sport [12] . His name appeared in the Ferrara case; and he was subject to additional investigation in 2001. In 2004, the large scale operation “Oil for Drugs” struck in 29 Italian provinces against a doping network that Santuccione is suspected to have headed. Huge amounts of doping products: testosterone, anabolic steroids, EPO, Aranesp, blood transfusion equipment, et al., were seized, and investigations were opened against 138 athletes (15 of them professional). The case led to further arrests, among them a member of the Italian Cycling federation. Today, Santuccione’s license is suspended, although most of the riders who were his clients remain active while the investigations grind on."
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Originally Posted by tajsss
I don't know too much about racing yet, but is it a bit weird to have your two strongest teammates up the road going for the stage? Would it not have been better to have them back and helping Simoni? With 3 guys it could have been attack after attack against Di Luca to break him and give Simoni a chance to gain some time.

Instead two teammates take a 1-2 win, Ricco is now close to Simoni in standings, and Simoni lost time to Di Luca.
No harm in having team mates up the road. If Simoni was feeling strong, he could have bridged up to them and they could have paced his attack. As it was, he could only barely hang with Di Luca, so he let them carry on for the stage. Wasn't a bad day for Saunier after all. They secured the mountains jersey and Ricco made a big inroad into Schlecks lead in the white jersey.
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Originally Posted by RockyMtnMerlin
You guys all missed the most important event in today's stage. Julio Perez Cuapio took the Devil's pitchfork and stuck Simoni in the butt with it.

Edit - right poker wrong pokee - Our own Red Devil set me straight - see below.
that was really funny. the best part was that after he gave the devil the pitchfork back, he looked up smiling at everyone in the group, but they were all just concentrated on climbing.

i watched on rai, and was thinking about making a thread that just said: WATCH THE STAGE ON OLN TONIGHT! i think that it was my favorite stage to watch of any grand tour. so many great things happened:

S.D. sending ricco (who is becoming a new favorite rider) and pipeoli, liquigas getting shelled, di luca riding his heart out, schleck, cunego, and simoni all hanging around to try to pop di luca on the final climb which had 12.5% average, the marzoleni saga, etc.

it was really awesome.
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Originally Posted by tajsss
I don't know too much about racing yet, but is it a bit weird to have your two strongest teammates up the road going for the stage? Would it not have been better to have them back and helping Simoni? With 3 guys it could have been attack after attack against Di Luca to break him and give Simoni a chance to gain some time.

Instead two teammates take a 1-2 win, Ricco is now close to Simoni in standings, and Simoni lost time to Di Luca.
by sending up the team mates it makes di luca and his team have to work extra hard to real them in. Simoni could then just pace di luca and go around him at the end and not have used up any more energy then di luca.
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Originally Posted by fly:yes/land:no
that was really funny. the best part was that after he gave the devil the pitchfork back, he looked up smiling at everyone in the group, but they were all just concentrated on climbing.
I don't even think they (the other 3) even saw what happened! It was a Giro classic for sure. I'm still smiling.

S.D. sending ricco (who is becoming a new favorite rider) and pipeoli, liquigas getting shelled, di luca riding his heart out, schleck, cunego, and simoni all hanging around to try to pop di luca on the final climb which had 12.5% average, the marzoleni saga, etc.
One of the sweetest stages of this year's Giro for sure. I now have it recorded on DVD. Please don't tell RAI.


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Originally Posted by tajsss
I don't know too much about racing yet, but is it a bit weird to have your two strongest teammates up the road going for the stage? Would it not have been better to have them back and helping Simoni? With 3 guys it could have been attack after attack against Di Luca to break him and give Simoni a chance to gain some time.

Instead two teammates take a 1-2 win, Ricco is now close to Simoni in standings, and Simoni lost time to Di Luca.
What super guanche said plus, it also depends on the situation. If you're hitting a really tough mountain, you're not really going fast enough for drafting to make a difference and because there's pretty much never a huge peleton on a tough mountain, there'll be room for your team car to get you a drink or food if you need it (so you don't need domestiques to bring them to you).
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