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Old 05-27-07, 06:11 PM
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What would YOU do if this happened during a race?

During the road race yesterday there was a guy in the peloton who appeared to have a front wheel that was so far out of true that his bike (and his entire torso for that matter) were literally shaking and wobbling, even at 22-24 mph. It was extremely disconcerting to be next to or behind the guy and I was clearly not the only one who felt that way.

(Snuff, I could be mistaken but I think the guy is on your team).

Anyway, nobody said anything to the guy but everyone was obviously avoiding him--to the point that on at least two occasions I had to reach out to gently hip check someone to keep them from moving over into me as they tried to steer clear of the guy as he moved up and down the peloton. It was wild.

After the race, I happened to see the guy and I said, "So is your wheel out of true?" and he said "what do you mean?" and I said "well, it seemed like it was really wobbly" and he acted like he had no idea what I was talking about. I started thinking maybe the guy just had some sort of weird jittery physiological disorder or something--so I just dropped the issue and said "well, good race, man" and let it go--but I'm pretty sure in retrospect that it was just problem with the front wheel.

What would you do in this situation? If this guy is at the crit tomorrow with the same bike issue it's going to be even worse.

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Old 05-27-07, 06:20 PM
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Uh, freaking say something!!! If a guy is a danger to you and others then say so. Just remember you are crusing along at 20+ with 100 other guys, sharp moving bits and your only form of protection is a styrofoam cup on your head and you skin which rapidly comes off when it contacts the ground.

SPEAK UP in the pack. The skin you save might just be mine.
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Old 05-27-07, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jrennie
Uh, freaking say something!!!
I thought about that. Here's how the conversation played out in my mind:

Me: Hey, your wheel is shimmying!

Him: What, my veal is simmering??!

Me: No, your wheel! It's shaking!

Him: No, it's not. It's carbon!

Me: No, I mean your wheel looks like it is shaking up and down!

Him: Yeah?

Me: Yeah!

Him: Ok. Thanks.

Me: No, I mean you can't race with a wheel like that!

Him: Actually, I am racing with a wheel like that!

Me: Um, Ok. I'm going to go back to avoiding you now.


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Old 05-27-07, 06:28 PM
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by the time you played that dialogue out in your head you could have just said
"hey, you wheel is trashed, you better stop"
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Old 05-27-07, 06:50 PM
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Hrm...I think we had two guys in the Master's B field. One guy on a Cannondale and one guy on a Trek I believe. One is a newer roadie, so it's entirely possible he wasn't quite switched on to his problem. If I see him tomorrow I'll try to take a look-see at the wheel.

If it was me, I'd have said, hey - your wheel is trashed, pull back to the truck. If the race wasn't too hectic or an A race, and it was a team mate I might have offered to drop back and help latch back onto the field.
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Old 05-27-07, 06:56 PM
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Guy in a race I was in recently had a rear wheel out of true. I told him about it and together we made sure that it wasn't rubbing his pads. It wasn't so bad that it was dangerous, but I certainly thought it worth mentioning. I would absolutely say something if I thought it were dangerous.

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Old 05-27-07, 06:59 PM
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Sorry, I know this is a serious question but come on, how can you not laugh at, "What, my veal is simmering?"

Funniest thing I've heard all day. But I'd yell at the guy and tell him to grab a new wheel. I don't need to go down because of someone else's ignorance of the issue.

Veal simmering. HA!!!
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Old 05-27-07, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus
Hrm...I think we had two guys in the Master's B field. One guy on a Cannondale and one guy on a Trek I believe. One is a newer roadie, so it's entirely possible he wasn't quite switched on to his problem. If I see him tomorrow I'll try to take a look-see at the wheel.
It was the guy on the Trek. It was a carbon wheel, I believe. He seemed pretty strong for a newbie rider. He was sorta shaking his hands toward the end of the race which implied that the shimmying wheel was making his hands go numb.

I should have said something to be helpful--but it was clear he didn't think there was any problem and there wouldn't have been any point to getting confrontational about it.

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Old 05-27-07, 10:17 PM
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I'd have said something too.
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Old 05-28-07, 07:51 AM
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We have a guy who rides locally (not a racer) who has a physiological condition that causes him to shake. It means he's a poor wheel to follow since he oscillates back and forth a lot, but in his case it's not an equipment issue, and he does his best to track straight. There's only so much he can do, though.

Steve, it was good to meet you yesterday. Good luck in the crit today. I'll have several friends in the 4 race, and I'm hoping that perhaps one or two of my teammates will show for the 3 race so we can get some tactics going in it.
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Old 05-28-07, 08:01 AM
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Say something. It helps make it safer for everyone.
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Originally Posted by jrennie
Uh, freaking say something!!! If a guy is a danger to you and others then say so. SPEAK UP in the pack. The skin you save might just be mine.
+1

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Originally Posted by zimbo
During the road race yesterday there was a guy in the peloton who appeared to have a front wheel that was so far out of true that his bike (and his entire torso for that matter) were literally shaking and wobbling, even at 22-24 mph. It was extremely disconcerting to be next to or behind the guy and I was clearly not the only one who felt that way.

(Snuff, I could be mistaken but I think the guy is on your team).

Anyway, nobody said anything to the guy but everyone was obviously avoiding him--to the point that on at least two occasions I had to reach out to gently hip check someone to keep them from moving over into me as they tried to steer clear of the guy as he moved up and down the peloton. It was wild.

After the race, I happened to see the guy and I said, "So is your wheel out of true?" and he said "what do you mean?" and I said "well, it seemed like it was really wobbly" and he acted like he had no idea what I was talking about. I started thinking maybe the guy just had some sort of weird jittery physiological disorder or something--so I just dropped the issue and said "well, good race, man" and let it go--but I'm pretty sure in retrospect that it was just problem with the front wheel.


What would you do in this situation? If this guy is at the crit tomorrow with the same bike issue it's going to be even worse.

--Steve
you probably have a good idea by now of how i behave on bf.net

i'm 1,000,000 times worse when i race. what do you think i would have done?

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Old 05-28-07, 11:44 AM
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I'd have said something during the race. "get yer shat fixed"
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+1,000 on saying something. Tell the dude his bike is broke and that he needs to get out of the race. If enough people say it he might actually think you're not supposed to oscillate wildly down the road.
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Old 05-28-07, 12:10 PM
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You should have asked him to spin the wheel while you were talking to him. I remember a guy having a similar issue during a track race. He'd be tooling along at 25mph cool as a cucumber. All of a sudden his entire front end would start shimmying like he was going to lose control. Three seconds later he'd regain control and keep going until it happened again 10 minutes later. Everybody saw it and he surely felt it. They'd inspect the bike after the race, find nothing, he'd go back out and randomly it would happen again. Never did find the cause. I think it was a ghost.
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in indiana jones the last crusade (just before indiana says fly:yes/land:no in the biplane) indiana and his dad are riding in a motorcycle chase sequence. at one point a nazi pulls up next to the two and indiana throws a flag pole into the guy's front wheel, somersaulting the nazi and his bike in the 30 feet into the air. that is probably what i would do in your situation. good luck with this next time, i would suggest bringing a cheap frame pump, or at least partially sawing any flagpole that you want to rip down before snagging it indy jones style.
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stay in front of him.
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Originally Posted by botto
i'm 1,000,000 times worse when i race. what do you think i would have done?
I believe you would have pulled in front of him, yanked down your bib shorts, and let rip with a juicy one.

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Originally Posted by zimbo
I believe you would have pulled in front of him, yanked down your bib shorts, and let rip with a juicy one.

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perhaps.
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The guy had different wheels today and appeared to have no shimmy. I stayed in front of him anyway, just in case.

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Originally Posted by zimbo
The guy had different wheels today and appeared to have no shimmy. I stayed in front of him anyway, just in case.

--Steve
smart move.

i'm sure your wife and kids will thank you.
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Originally Posted by botto
i'm sure your wife and kids will thank you.
Indeed. They were actually at the race today along with a whole bunch of other family/friends. Staying safe was a top priority. More later in my report.

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Originally Posted by zimbo
Indeed. They were actually at the race today along with a whole bunch of other family/friends. Staying safe was a top priority. More later in my report.

--Steve
OT - the 1st race that my family came to see me (we're talking +/- 16 years ago) had a crash that took out the front of the peloton, on a slight downhill.

fortunately i was hanging out at the back, and only caught the scent of burned flesh.
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Originally Posted by botto
you probably have a good idea by now of how i behave on bf.net

i'm 1,000,000 times worse when i race. what do you think i would have done?
Proof positive that while riding, all you ever have to do is ask yourself..... WWBD
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