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A training question: To race tonight, or not to race?

Old 05-30-07, 08:47 AM
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A training question: To race tonight, or not to race?

So after Saturday's HORRIBLE crit performance, I've decided to place more emphasis back on my tempo and LT work for a while. I did a 2 1/2 hour hill ride with the team on Sunday, and a 2 hour tempo ride with the BF'ers on Monday. Yesterday was a recovery day.

I've sort of decided that the race this Sunday, a crit in Wilmington, DE, is one that I won't be trying to do any special peaking for, and that it'll be my hard interval workout for the week.

To give a little background on Saturday-- I had been doing shorter workouts of higher intensity for 3 weeks, focusing on sprints, 1-minute intervals, etc. with very few longer rides or tempo/LT work. So basically, I was doing a "Peak/Race" type schedule for way too long. As a result, I just didn't have the accelerations in my legs, I was slow to recover, and I ended up dropped and pulled.

My goal now is to go back to more of a "base/build" phase with longer tempo/LT rides and less of the high intensity stuff. My goal is to rebuild in time for a series of races in mid to late June to salvage what I can.

So the question is, should I go to my weeknight training race tonight, or go do some 2x20's or something where I won't be tempted/forced to go hard?

Fire away, training gurus... Thanks.
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make a plan and stick to it. if you think you should be doing tempo work, then do it.

just sayin'

one suggestion: do the race, but sit in.
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im no guru but I would do the race and just make that my interval day and do the tempo/threshold stuff the rest of the time.
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Originally Posted by botto

one thing that i always wonder about is the fact hat you seem to only do crits. true? that would do my head in.
we really dont have many other options. very few road races here. There have only really been like 4 or 5 so far this season.
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Originally Posted by botto
make a plan and stick to it. if you think you should be doing tempo work, then do it.

one thing that i always wonder about is the fact hat you seem to only do crits. true? that would do my head in.
90 percent of the races around here are crits or short circuits. Just the nature of the beast, I suppose.

Tonight's race is more of a circuit, though--it's a 1.4-mile loop with one corner and a 1-minute big ring climb. Not sure if that's too much intensity or not.

The sitting-in plan might be a good one. I like that the best so far.
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Originally Posted by riskus
we really dont have many other options. very few road races here. There have only really been like 4 or 5 so far this season.
guess i was spoiled starting out in NYC.

there was always a race in CP or PP if you didn't want to drive up to upstate NY, NJ, CT, RI, MASS, VT, or NH.
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Training race. Its like doing intervals, and midweek is a good time to do them, and you get to practice your bike handling skills.
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I would race, sit in some of the time and head to the front for a few hard efforts.

The wilmington crit is awesome, I did that last year. It's a figure 8 course with a couple short hills and some long straights. I am signed up for another race on sunday but may eat the money and do the wilmington crit instead. It was in september last year so I wasn't even looking for it yet.
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I wouldn't profess to know alot; however, I think a structured interval or threshold workout is far better than sitting in, in a training race. Sitting in might be effective if you need to learn about race tactics or pack dynamics. As for fitness, a structured workout will target your specific weaknesses unlike anything else. I also think that if you're going to scrap your current plan and rebuild, you'll have to replan all your workouts. A simple way to work on tempo or LT work is to plan a 3 to 4 hour weekend ride with a couple 20 to 30min climbs at threshold, it can be tough but effective.
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^ So then don't sit in. Its a training race, mix it up a bit. Go off the front, launch attacks, go for all the sprints, start breaks, make yourself hurt, etc. Nothing like some racing to train for racing.

Drpete- IMO, hard efforts are good for the soul 2 days of high intensity this week aint gonna hurt ya, and you might suprise yourself by how good you feel tonight.
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Originally Posted by DrPete
90 percent of the races around here are crits or short circuits. Just the nature of the beast, I suppose.

Tonight's race is more of a circuit, though--it's a 1.4-mile loop with one corner and a 1-minute big ring climb. Not sure if that's too much intensity or not.

The sitting-in plan might be a good one. I like that the best so far.
Yeah, sit in and if you -do- decide to come, see ya there.
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Race!

In non-scientific terms, if you dont do enough high intensity efforts that energy system goes to sleep. You're crit racer in the heart of MABRA crit season, so, your focus should be racing and recovering.
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OK, OK, I'll race.

As an aside, it just came across the team listserv that apparently some guys from Jittery Joe's will be there to light it up in the A race tonight. I think they're in the area for some NRC stuff and will use it as a training event.

Guess our little training series is on the map!
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^^^very cool, wish I could be there to get my backside handed to me by them. They're probably in town for the CSC invitational on saturday.
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Originally Posted by DrPete
OK, OK, I'll race.

As an aside, it just came across the team listserv that apparently some guys from Jittery Joe's will be there to light it up in the A race tonight. I think they're in the area for some NRC stuff and will use it as a training event.

Guess our little training series is on the map!
They might be a little worn down from the stage race this past weekend in TN. Given who they are I bet it will be "recovery" for them and "hauling the mail" for everybody else. Fun times!
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Jittery Joe's schmose....

How about the new "Pesky Pete's" team, huh?
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My motto that worked for years

"Never do intervals, when you could be at a fast group ride and never do a fast group ride when you could be at a race".
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Originally Posted by YMCA
"Never do intervals, when you could be at a fast group ride and never do a fast group ride when you could be at a race".
Interesting. Just goes to show there are lots of ways to skin a cat.

Have fun at the race, DrP...

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Well, a strange thing happened tonight--I went to the race with a goal in mind and I accomplished it. How often does that actually happen?

Raced the B race and spent almost the whole race in the front third of the pack, keeping an eye on breaks and chasing one bridging attempt down when we had two guys off the front. I focused on watching the race and was determined to make the split if one were to develop. I worked on mixing up the cadence on the climb to try and work some different muscle groups.

In the final lap, one of my teammates went on a solo flyer that I'd love for our team to take credit for, but it seems like the whole field was kinda gassed and didn't really care. So we focused on the sprint for 2nd. The pack split up the hill and I hung on to the lead pack--only bummer was I picked a HORRIBLE wheel and couldn't help with the leadout. And on top of that, miraculously, I felt like I still had matches left to burn at the end--but I kept them in my pocket this time, satisfied that I was in reasonable position to contest a sprint if that had been my goal.

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Time: 1:06:36 891 kJ TSS 105.8 IF 0.976

Norm. Power 294, Avg 223, Max 1254, VI 1.32

Dist. 26.849mi Avg speed 24.2
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nice work!
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Bueno, Herr Doctor. What was your PMC reading before the ride?

Now it's back to burrowing for motivation to make me do L4/5 intervals tomorrow morning.
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^^Thanks...

On a side note, the Jittery Joe's guys took the A race by storm. They sort of batted the pack around like a ball of yarn for a while, then shot off the front and were never seen again. 4 JJ's guys and one local elite guy took the top 5 slots. Mad props to the local boy Josh Frick (IIRC) for hangin' with what looked like an utterly leg-crushing breakaway.

They lapped our field a couple times and DAMN. Amazing for us poor schmucks to see someone doing it right.
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Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus
Bueno, Herr Doctor. What was your PMC reading before the ride?
Hehe.... -27.8.

Can you tell I've lost faith in the performance manager? Actually, I think the real issue is that I just didn't have enough of a base and I started trying to peak for too many races--it ended up killing me. So I'm back to building it back up.
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right on for racing tonight and getting your confidence back.

Now, go out and tear some ***** up this Sunday. Seriously, set a solid goal and post it here beforehand

I'll post mine over in the training thread now...
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DP, great talking with you again! And, great job on reaching the goal for the day!

I sucked! It was assisted by a sticking STI shifter for the rear derailleur. I could go up, but it kept getting stuck going back down. A finally gave up just before the bell lap. I was blown by then, stressing over the effed up shifter causing me not to be efficient.

Even though I didn't finish, here are my stats:
Time: 0:33:45 382 kJ TSS 46.9 IF 0.913
Norm. Power 247, Avg 189, Max 1213, VI 1.31
Dist. 12.564mi Avg speed 22.5
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