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Old 07-05-07, 05:20 PM   #1
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Sandbag or Cat Up?

Okay, I know that in Hip's Cat 6 thread I said I was going to upgrade as soon as I got my 10th race, but now I'm having second thoughts. In the last three weeks I've had 3 top-10 finishes and I'm so close to a win that I can taste it.

The angel on my right shoulder says "Be a man! Send in for your upgrade!"

The devil on my left shoulder says "Sandbag a little! Everybody does it. Eventually you'll find a race you can win!"

So what say you, Elders of the Droped Hamer: Sandbag or cat up?
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Old 07-05-07, 05:29 PM   #2
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10 is just the minimum.. I really don't know when to draw the line and call it sandbagging, but, imo, unless you're dominating week in week out, you're not. Get a win or two and enjoy it. No need to be so PC with all this.
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Old 07-05-07, 05:30 PM   #3
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Sandbag. Let the district rep catch you.

Sandbagging RULES.
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Cat up. Other people are waiting to do the same.
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I wouldn't cat up on the "minimum race" rule.

I would cat up if I was winning or at least on the podium regularly.

If I were you, I'd wait for a win.

Congrats on the top 10's though. It's not easy. The reason, though, I suggest catting-up after you get a win or two (or three) is that upper Cats, especially 1/2/3, you will be less likely to frequently savour victory.
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I wouldn't cat up on the "minimum race" rule.

I would cat up if I was winning or at least on the podium regularly.

If I were you, I'd wait for a win.

Congrats on the top 10's though. It's not easy. The reason, though, I suggest catting-up after you get a win or two (or three) is that upper Cats, especially 1/2/3, you will be less likely to frequently savour victory.
Oh, don't I know it. And that's what drives the reluctance. I've done lots of running and triathlons and have never been within shouting distance of winning an age group. Now it feels like it's just a matter of luck and timing.
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10 is just the minimum.. I really don't know when to draw the line and call it sandbagging, but, imo, unless you're dominating week in week out, you're not.
doesn't sound like sandbagging, if you feel like racing 5's is too sketchy for you, cat up. If not, stay until you get on the podium.

edit: I'd say cat up though

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Old 07-05-07, 06:36 PM   #8
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Do you want competition or a 'challenge' ride? Cat up.
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Get the win. Be happy. then Cat up. Though in reality, in a race of decent size, often podium places are separated by luck more than skill. If you are top three a number of times, you should probably consider them the same as wins.
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Old 07-05-07, 08:04 PM   #10
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If you feel you ride well enough (more techincally than strength wise) then cat up

If you feel you need a little more expierence before dealing with a 100 rider pack, then stay in the 5's.

The speed differential is tiny, don't think the 4's will be much faster.
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Old 07-05-07, 10:11 PM   #11
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You guys are no help.
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Don't be like me cat up!
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Old 07-05-07, 11:20 PM   #13
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I would rather finish with the pack in a cat 3 than win a cat 5.

I don't think it is that difficult to place in the top 10, unless there are serious incentives to PLACE.... compared to winning- in any category. In most races, a few seconds can separate first from twentieth.

I think sandbaggers are lame. Then again, I race to race against myself and my personal goals. Unless you are going to turn pro, it isn't really about winning... but rather competing.


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Okay, I know that in Hip's Cat 6 thread I said I was going to upgrade as soon as I got my 10th race, but now I'm having second thoughts. In the last three weeks I've had 3 top-10 finishes and I'm so close to a win that I can taste it.

The angel on my right shoulder says "Be a man! Send in for your upgrade!"

The devil on my left shoulder says "Sandbag a little! Everybody does it. Eventually you'll find a race you can win!"

So what say you, Elders of the Droped Hamer: Sandbag or cat up?
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I'd say Cat up. As most have said, the difference isn't that big speed wise (hell, around here they run combined 4/5 races), but you'll start to learn more in terms of tatics and will start to improve because your racing with stonger riders.

But ultimately, its about you and if you're driven more by wins or if your driven by personal gains/goals. To me, filtersweep has it right . . . I'd rather finish in the pack in an upper cat than win a cat 5 race.
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The answer lies within.
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Yup. And these will be your friends if you go the wrong way. Rats, weasels, snitches, pimps, terrorists, sandbaggers, *******.
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Yup. And these will be your friends if you go the wrong way. Rats, weasels, snitches, pimps, terrorists, sandbaggers, *******.
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Cat up. You'll get faster.
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My .02 is this. If you are consistently in the top 3 I would say it is time to cat up.
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Go to the 4s and if you are always in the placings then at least you will earn points
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If you're not wanting to get an early start on your points toward Cat 3, then stay in 5s for a bit and have fun. I went through 5s without winning in spite of podium spots in 5s and 4s, just because I wanted to claw my way to Cat 3 as quickly as possible.
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Winning feels great, and it only gets harder as you move up the ranks, I'd try a few more to try to get that win.
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Maybe you could find some girls or juniors to race against.
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If you are placing high or winning, sandbag. When I started to move up, I couldn't wait to get into the highest category possible. But getting to cat 2 is a very humbling experience, having to race against 1s and pros. You go very quickly from placing/winning, to just holding on for dear life.

In hindsight, I would sandbag for a while. Eventually, you are not going to be able to win anything because everyone will mark you, or it just won't be fun anymore for you. But in the meantime, you will make a name for yourself and have a better chance at getting on a good team.

If you are racing mostly for fun, then I would move up from the lowest cats as soon as possible just to get into races with people that have more experience and know what they are doing, which generally makes for safer racing.
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I would get your 10 and upgrade. Winning does feel great but if your "shoplifting" from the 5's to get a win maybe it won't feel so great.
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