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Old 07-05-07, 08:06 PM   #1
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Lone Rider vs an Organized Team

So I'm doing an internship this summer and there's nobody from my team around here. All the races in the area seem to be dominated by two large organized teams. So my problem is that after I was found out to be somewhat of a threat, there has been a concentrated effort to box me out by one team or the other at the end of every race. I can usually maneuver my way around them, but it means sitting out in the wind by myself for a lap or so while their sprinters get nice leadouts so I've been getting consistantly pipped at the line by the guys with fresher legs (who knows, maybe they're just stronger then me and I'm just whiny.) I'm guessing the only real solution, other than to get stronger, is to scrounge up a few other independents and form a rag-tag team for the duration that I'm here. Any suggestions on how to turn this situation around? Btw, I'm pretty much a pure sprinter so going with a break is a bit risky for me, although I'm willing to do it if that's the only real solution.
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Old 07-05-07, 08:13 PM   #2
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As a sprinter, I'd just mark their guys who you think are going to sprint, and sit on their wheel like it's your job.

Personally, I sort of like racing with huge teams, as a solo guy. If I see a break that looks good, or can initiate something that one of their guys goes with - there is a huge group in the peloton shutting down chase efforts. I've had good success with breakaways from fields with multiple 10+ man teams.
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what category? how many riders on the teams and how many in the field?

a usually solo sprinter wants to know
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be a blatant wheelsucker on the guy from the big team who's going to come in second
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Yeah, you gotta wheelsuck and/or get in the right break. If you're successful a time or two, then you'll see a real lockdown...
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like everyone else says-- exploit the teams. Let them mark each other and then you just mark the 1 or 2 guys who you think they're setting up. If they're busy controlling the race, let them control it for you, too.
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Two words:

Robbie McEwen. Don't need no stinking team.

Watch some video.
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You don't need a team. Just keep slipping into breaks represented by both big squads and do as little as possible, until one starts to stick. Then work with them just enough to hold the field at bay and watch for the late race attacks. If you are betting on a field sprint, you'll lose most of the time, when there are only two bigger teams.
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A lot of good advise here, especially for a sprinter. Remember you owe nothing to nobody when you are solo. So just be invisible till 5 to go or so, then find the right wheel and put your energy into defending it.
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Those teams obviously think you're good. Why not join one?
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Those teams obviously think you're good. Why not join one?
I'm already on a team, there's just none of my teammates around; plus, I'm only here for a few more weeks.
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Reminds me of story from a top local rider who races in BC for most of the racing season. At one BC Cup race he was the only rider to stay with the Symetrics team after some tough climbs. He said they "popped" him like 10 times before they finally dropped him. Popping being that they would wait till he was at the back then one of their riders would drift back, forcing him to either sprint around him, or fade back with him, then the Symetrics rider would sprint back to their team.

It has got to be tough racing against very strong teams.
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I asked about how many guys are on the two teams and how big the fields are because there are definitely ways to work around a max of maybe 10 riders per team for two teams in a field of at least 70 or so. No pushing, no shoving, no dirty riding, not even blatant wheel sucking (well, wheel sucking but not necessarily one of your marked riders). This is especially true if you're a sprinter. As long as you have good handling skills, know how to pull off moves so subtle that the others don't realize what you're doing, you'll be able to put yourself into a good position for the sprint. Once there you'll have to come through with the sprint but it seems like that won't be a problem.

There are plenty of solo type sprinters in the area who regularly out ride teams with lots of racers (and one or two good sprinters).

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Sprinter, you have it easy. Sit on the wheel of their sprinter and humiliate them.
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Robbie McEwen. Don't need no stinking team.

Watch some video.
Absolutely, do what Robbie does - use brute force, elbows whatever it takes to sit pretty on the back of the dominant train.
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Thanks for all the advice guys, we'll see how well I can implement it this weekend. I've done pretty much all collegiate racing up to this season and I've always had plenty of team support so this new situation had come as a bit of a shock.
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