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"Win and Out" Criterium this weekend

Old 07-12-07, 06:11 PM
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"Win and Out" Criterium this weekend

The Naugatuck CT Criterium is a "Win and Out" for the 35+ race. Sounds pretty tough, but interesting !

Here's a quote from the flyer.

"35+ RACE IS A WIN AND OUT. STARTING ON LAP 10, THE FIELD WILL SPRINT EVERY OTHER LAP FOR ONE PLACE. ON LAP 10, THE OFFICALS PICK ONE RIDER FOR FIRST PLACE, LAP 12 SECOND PLACE AND SO ON. ON THE 28th LAP THEY PICK 10TH PLACE."

I'm 45, so I may be better of doing the Cat 4 since it's a "regular" crit instead of trying to keep up with the Cat 1-4 "youngsters".

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Old 07-12-07, 06:52 PM
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I was gonna do it, but am heading up to NH to ride.
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Originally Posted by GuitarWizard
I was gonna do it, but am heading up to NH to ride.
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Old 07-12-07, 07:41 PM
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i've never done a crit, but on the track win and out is harddd. i'm definitely not made for it; miss and out i am. its a lot of strategy (as most races are) but too many times i knock myself out trying to out sprint someone, miss, and then have just used up all my energy and still have 4-5-10 laps to go.
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That's the key: don't cook yourself to finish 2nd in a sprint. It gets you nowhere but tired.

But don't wait 'til later in the race thinking the sprints are going to get easier. That ain't gonna happen.

How 'bout attacking during a sprint and try to get a big enough gap to stay away for two laps. If you get a healthy gap, others may be afraid of trying to reel you in.

Gauge your efforts wisely.

Have fun with it. Think of all the permutations in the days leading up to it. There are several.
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Old 07-12-07, 08:01 PM
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This is actuatly a really dangerous event usually on the track.
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How so?
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How so?
When I saw it at INDY, its just dude being so aggressive to go for the line and always sprinting. Ive only seen it raced twice but seen guys tumble both times.
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On the road, it's a little less intense because once a rider determines that they're out of contention for a sprint, they back off. Consequently, only 3 or 4 riders go for the placing each time - as opposed to the finish of a regular crit in which people are still sprinting for 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th which gives you +15 sprinters.
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I can't make up my mind !! It sounds like fun to try, but I'll have to race against Cat 1,2 & 3 that are also 10 years younger than me, so I doubt I'll place. I may have better luck in the 3-4 "regular" crit, or take the easier route & do the 4/5 race.
Or I could do the Win & Out AND Cat 3/4, since the Pro,1,2,3 is in between them, so I can rest for 2 hours. Hmmmmmmmmmm
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Try the trifecta: Masters, Cat 3, and Pro-1-2

Think of the stories you'll have at work on Monday.

I've done a 45+, 35+, and Pro-1-2.

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I'm back to a cat 4 since I took 15 years off the bike, and started riding again a year ago. But last weekend I did the 45+ on Saturday, and the 45+, 35+ and 30+ all in a row on Sunday. Got some good speed work in !!
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I think I'll do the 4-5 race and try and place, then the 35+ Win & Out right afterwards for the speed work. I'll skip the 3-4 race because that won't start until 5:00 pm or so.
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Win and out on the track isn't so dangerous as long as people know to hold their line when they finish. It gets bad when a guy crosses the line and thinks he's done and out (and maybe is) so he pulls up and hooks the other guys who are still racing.

I think it also helps if there's a mix of strong endurance guys who will attack before the sprint and keep things strung out. If it's a bunch of guys who are going to try to go slow and then sprint like hell it's more likely to be a circus.

A lot of the time the track is nearly empty after the 3rd sprint (even when they're recording to 5 or 6) because people have blown themselves to bits without getting anything and can't even keep chasing.
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Originally Posted by recneps
When I saw it at INDY, its just dude being so aggressive to go for the line and always sprinting. Ive only seen it raced twice but seen guys tumble both times.

win-and-out or miss-and-out. Miss-and-outs, where the last rider gets pulled each lap, are usually worse because the back is all banched up with everyone fighting to move just a few inches in front of everyone else.
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Originally Posted by dutret
win-and-out or miss-and-out. Miss-and-outs, where the last rider gets pulled each lap, are usually worse because the back is all banched up with everyone fighting to move just a few inches in front of everyone else.
And the guys who just crossed the line and are safe are easing up while the guys in back are accelerating into every little hole.
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*mumbling*bunch of wannabe track racers...*/mumbling*
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I think they have medication for that...
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Sounds like fun.
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Originally Posted by bitingduck
And the guys who just crossed the line and are safe are easing up while the guys in back are accelerating into every little hole.
Or trying to find room up the track, and running out of it. I was always trying to tail gun those miss and outs at Indy, a lot of fun but not very productive.

I would think attack the 2nd or 3rd sprint, a lot of strong riders are going to be sucking wind.
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Originally Posted by Voodoo76
Or trying to find room up the track, and running out of it. I was always trying to tail gun those miss and outs at Indy, a lot of fun but not very productive.I would think attack the 2nd or 3rd sprint, a lot of strong riders are going to be sucking wind.
You mean attack between the sprints ?? Or sit out the first and second, and go for third place ??
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Attack between sprints. Let the first couple go.
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