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Old 07-13-07, 06:09 AM
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Carbon pads, normal rims

Is this combination kosher? And by "normal" i mean "alloy braking surface"
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If you're thinking of switching back and forth (rims), I wouldn't.

Otherwise I'd imagine you'll just wear through the pads quickly. Of course I have no experience with this, but why should that stop me from posting?
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Originally Posted by ElJamoquio
If you're thinking of switching back and forth (rims), I wouldn't.

Otherwise I'd imagine you'll just wear through the pads quickly.
ugh. It's such a pain to swap out pads when I change wheels.
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They will wear out extremely fast and if you plan on using them with carbon rims then you'll have ruined them by using them with al rims. I just swap them out, it's a pain but worth it.
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ok fine, i'm convinced. PITA FTW
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No direct experience, but most folks I know that switch between carbon and alloy rims use carbon appropriate brake pads and keep the same brake pads for both (i.e. they dont change break pads with a change in wheels - way too time consuming) ... they just have to change them more often due to faster wear.
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I use carbon pads on aluminum rims all the time. The kool stop pads(carbon compound) dont wear at all on the aluminum rims but the carbon eats them up. I say go for it but make sure your pads are nice and clean between swaps.
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Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo
They will wear out extremely fast and if you plan on using them with carbon rims then you'll have ruined them by using them with al rims. I just swap them out, it's a pain but worth it.
+1. Aluminum crap in pads = bye bye expensive carbon rims.
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Originally Posted by jrennie
I use carbon pads on aluminum rims all the time. The kool stop pads(carbon compound) dont wear at all on the aluminum rims but the carbon eats them up. I say go for it but make sure your pads are nice and clean between swaps.

+1. I use the Zipp (really Koolstop ) pads on both Al wheels and Zipp 303 tubulars. THe Zipp rep said it's not a problem. Just check when you change over to the cf rims that you don't have any shards of Al in the pads.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
+1. I use the Zipp (really Koolstop ) pads on both Al wheels and Zipp 303 tubulars. THe Zipp rep said it's not a problem. Just check when you change over to the cf rims that you don't have any shards of Al in the pads.
For the 5 minutes it takes me to change over my pads I feel it's a pretty good safe guard for my expensive carbon wheels. All it takes is one missed Al shard and you've knackered a perfectly good set of wheels.
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Originally Posted by ElJamoquio
If you're thinking of switching back and forth (rims), I wouldn't.

Otherwise I'd imagine you'll just wear through the pads quickly. Of course I have no experience with this, but why should that stop me from posting?
never has before. why stop now.

You don't want to use the same pads for ally and carbon, when the ally bits get stuck in the pads, they will carve into the CF rims. Given the cost involved, better to switch pads with wheels.

Using CF pads on alloy alone is fine.
 
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Try the Swiss-Stop yellow pads, you can supposedly clean all the aluminum bits off the pads without having the file them down like normal pads.
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swiss stop yellow pads are amazing. better than the carbon black koolstops i use to use.
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side note - brake pad squealing means not enough toe-in, right? My rear brake howls like a banshee until I really clamp down.
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I bought some extra brake shoes and keep my carbon-specific pads in them when I use my 'special events only' (ie. TT) bling-bling wheels. Takes about an extra 5 mins to make the swap the night before the race.

Hey BDC - when are those 404s making their race debut? Chantilly?
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Hey BDC - when are those 404s making their race debut? Chantilly?
Won't be at Chantilly tomorrow, so I don't know. Maybe *gasp* not until later this year, after the wedding.
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Originally Posted by Dubbayoo
side note - brake pad squealing means not enough toe-in, right? My rear brake howls like a banshee until I really clamp down.
I assume we're talking about the mad howl on a disc wheel? You want to fix that? "Put on psy war ops and make it loud," says Kilgore.

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Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo
For the 5 minutes it takes me to change over my pads I feel it's a pretty good safe guard for my expensive carbon wheels. All it takes is one missed Al shard and you've knackered a perfectly good set of wheels.
Hi bdcheung,

I'm not as good as EDR and others at changing pads quickly. However, I've done just that when I've used my race bike on a long ride with my Ksyrium wheels cause I don't want to ruin my Zipp 303s (which I love).

However, another alternative is to have another set of calipers with the carbon-specific pads already set up on them. Long story why and how, but I did this for part of a season a couple of years ago and it was much easier and faster for me to change the calipers than to change pads.

Heck, if you can buy carbon wheels, surely you can buy an extra set of brake calipers.
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Originally Posted by ratebeer
I assume we're talking about the mad howl on a disc wheel? You want to fix that? "Put on psy war ops and make it loud," says Kilgore.

Queue Ride Of The Valkyries...

no, brake pad on alloy rim.
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Originally Posted by Dubbayoo
no, brake pad on alloy rim.

Oh. Nevermind...


A gentleman rolled up in 909s last week and I could swear he was using the insane evil disc groan-howl to spook other riders in the lineup. It's one thing to hear the thunder roll up on you and me, I'm so slow I expect that, but it must feel dreadful to hear that disc bellow-scream in the lineup when you're someone's rabbit starting a minute or two in front of them.
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Originally Posted by bdcheung
Is this combination kosher? And by "normal" i mean "alloy braking surface"
You can buy pad holders with 2 sets of Koolstop pads from Harris Cyclery for $25 per pair. Then you don't need to ask.
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Originally Posted by DocRay
never has before. why stop now.
Exactly. As always, I was correct.

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Brakes are for pu**ies, they just slow you down.
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not very smart if you switch back to carbon rims as alloy rim shards may ruin your carbon rims. If not, I wouldn't recommend because:

1. rubber against alloy rims=better braking
2. rubber/DA pads are cheaper than carbon rim specific pads.
3. it makes more sense.

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Is this combination kosher? And by "normal" i mean "alloy braking surface"
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For the record, I've already swapped the pads back to rubber and the wheels back to my clinchers. I'll just have to add "swap pads" to my list of race-day preparation.
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