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Old 07-17-07, 05:55 AM
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Tour rider Tbones a dog, carbon deep section rim collpases

Watching the Tour coverage this morning a Tour rider T-boned a large (and friendly) dog who was ambling across the road (kind of looked like a big Labrador). The cyclist slowed down before he hit the poor pooch broadside (dog and rider appeared uninjured) but the deep section carbon fiber rim folded up like paper. It did not appear to be a Zipp wheel. The dog was quoted as saying 'Le Woof' and appeared rather bemused by the incident.

Further evidence that my dog Sam is the Best Dog in the Universe and that All the Other Dogs Suck (this is what I tell him constantly). Sam would never be that dumb.

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more proof that labs are overbred idiots. almost as idiotic as the owner who let the frog hound walk around, next to a road, sans leash, as the peloton zipped by.

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Word is that the wheel was either an Obermeyer or a LEW.
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Hey botto, it would be "bred", not "bread", in this instance.
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Old 07-17-07, 07:52 AM
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Here's the video of the dog-on-carbon action:
http://www3.vrtnieuws.net/sport_mast...os/video02.wmv
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LOL. Someone who feels compelled to use the word "frog" instead of "French" would be someone who spells bred as "bread".
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Originally Posted by Longfemur
LOL. Someone who feels compelled to use the word "frog" instead of "French" would be someone who spells bred as "bread".
get over yourself you PC weenie.
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Originally Posted by botto
more proof that labs are overbred idiots.
My since departed chocolate lab could do trig. Seriously. Take her hunting, miss a bird, and she'd glare at you with a "you're an idiot" expression and go hunt in front of the person who was hitting stuff. Take a half dozen different objects out to a field, tell her which one you wanted (ball/stick/bat/decoy) and she'd get that item.

And labs can't be that dumb...nearly every crossbreed you see has got some lab in it
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Originally Posted by Vinokurtov
My since departed chocolate lab could do trig. Seriously. Take her hunting, miss a bird, and she'd glare at you with a "you're an idiot" expression and go hunt in front of the person who was hitting stuff. Take a half dozen different objects out to a field, tell her which one you wanted (ball/stick/bat/decoy) and she'd get that item.

And labs can't be that dumb...nearly every crossbreed you see has got some lab in it
i.e. my brother's 'lab mix' by the name of Beauregard.
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needs to be put down, the owner that is.
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Originally Posted by patentcad
It did not appear to be a Zipp wheel. The dog was quoted as saying 'Le Woof' and appeared rather bemused by the incident.
T Mobile has been riding unbadged Zipps, so it might have been:

Zipp also managed to find its way on to the riders of T-Mobile, most of whom spent the first week on the company's deep-section 606 tubulars (with nearly all of the decals removed). The team is officially sponsored by Shimano, and one T-Mobile mechanic was quick to point out that no 'official' relationship exists between the team and Zipp. He simply explained that, "We always try to use the best wheels, and Zipp is the best aerodynamic wheel for now. So we use them for the flat stages." So be it, but we can only imagine how Shimano feels about it.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007.../tour_tech_607
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
T Mobile has been riding unbadged Zipps, so it might have been:
Burghardt has been on Obermeyer Lightweights for the tour. That's what he taco'd.
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I find that strangely awesome that the wheel could collapse that easily against....a dog.

No Obermeyers for me...
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Originally Posted by UT_Dude
I find that strangely awesome that the wheel could collapse that easily against....a dog.

No Obermeyers for me...
I've spent a lot of time going over the video and I'm certain it collapsed because Burghardt locked up his front wheel, lifted his rear wheel off the ground, then put all that weight sideways onto his front wheel as he rotated his handlebars to his right. The contact with the dog came after the wheel started to buckle.
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Ah, OK then. Makes a little more sense.
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Originally Posted by UT_Dude
Ah, OK then. Makes a little more sense.
yeah, don't know many wheels that are designed to take that much of a side-load
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Originally Posted by bdcheung
Here's the video of the dog-on-carbon action:
http://www3.vrtnieuws.net/sport_mast...os/video02.wmv
Dang - that wheel was toast in no time flat.

Quite note as to the rider: he sure knew how to tuck and roll with the punches properly. I'd have been the guy planting my arms out and breaking my wrists.
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Originally Posted by Vinokurtov

And labs can't be that dumb...
The vast majority of Guide Dogs are labs. Takes a pretty intelligent canine to learn to safely navigate a blind person hither and yon. (Perhaps this particular dog wasn't a T-Mobile fan?)

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P.S. Actually "dumb" is the name for the numerous human idiots who manage to get run over by the peleton (or motorcade) each year in the TDF and other bike races.
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I think the real lesson is not to hit a dog or if you do hit one you need to hit it full on and don't try to avoid it unless your sure you can get around it....

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Actually, i'm coming back to this. I once clipped a pedal and went flying... Landed on my elbow, but only after all the force came down on my Ksyrium Equipe going sideways. It needed to be trued, but had no serious damage.

But again, who knows!
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Originally Posted by biffstephens
I think the real lesson is not to hit a dog or if you do hit one you need to hit it full on and don't try to avoid it unless your sure you can get around it....

Speaking of which, in the video it appears that the T-Mobile guy was going slow enough to be able to bob'n'weave to the left. Granted, the video was in slow motion a bit, but it almost seems like he didn't really anticipate the dog up ahead (wasn't paying attention?) and continued going straight or even going to the right a little bit. If he'd moved a few feet to his left he probably would've avoided the dog entirely. At least, that's how it appears to me.
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Gosh.

$5500 USD gone to the dogs.
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Originally Posted by ryanspeer
Speaking of which, in the video it appears that the T-Mobile guy was going slow enough to be able to bob'n'weave to the left. Granted, the video was in slow motion a bit, but it almost seems like he didn't really anticipate the dog up ahead (wasn't paying attention?) and continued going straight or even going to the right a little bit. If he'd moved a few feet to his left he probably would've avoided the dog entirely. At least, that's how it appears to me.
Look at his rear: the wheel was locked up for like 10 m before the crash. That's target fixation for you.
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The wheel collapsed as a result of the wheel being laterally loaded before the contact with the dog.

A 1/3 speed replay in Winamp shows that the rim was already being bent before the bike ever touched the dog.
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Hmm, using the pause function, I could see 7 different views in under 2 seconds. Sure as heck looks to me that the wheel did not begin to bend until it came in contact with the dog's shoulder. Then as the force of the impact turned the wheel perpendicular to the frame (or nearly so) the wheel collapsed. But the video quality is not very good so I guess we will never know for sure.
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