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Old 07-20-07, 10:56 PM
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Gearing for spinners

For those who are more of a spinner then a masher, what gearing do you ride?

Right now, I have your standard starters bike gearing with a Tiagra Triple and a 12-25 cassette. I am a fast rider, doing 23mph average solo rides and 25-27mph group rides, but typically I am in my middle ring (42 tooth) spinning away at 105-118ish RPM weather I taking a long pull, in the group, or out for a long ride. I have even done a few crits almost exclusively in my middle ring. I am finally upping to a nice (almost on the line of dream) build and kinda lost on the gear I should throw on it. I have used my third ring maybe twice in the 2000 miles, so it is pointless for me to go with another triple. What do you guys think?
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Old 07-20-07, 11:02 PM
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54/39x11-23 or 12-25.
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Old 07-21-07, 07:17 AM
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Compact crank.
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Old 07-21-07, 09:25 AM
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compact crank is only half of the solution. could you elaborate on a proper rear cassette.
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Old 07-21-07, 09:34 AM
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Get a SRAM 11-26.
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Old 07-21-07, 09:55 AM
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Why only have one cassette? run a compact and a 11-23 if you are going to ride flats to rollers and have a larger cassette if you are going climbing(12-27 shimano 13-29 campy) It takes only minutes to change a cassette so why be stuck with just one combo.
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Old 07-21-07, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by jrennie View Post
Why only have one cassette? run a compact and a 11-23 if you are going to ride flats to rollers and have a larger cassette if you are going climbing(12-27 shimano 13-29 campy) It takes only minutes to change a cassette so why be stuck with just one combo.
Wise words.

Or if you're really wealthy, have an ultra-light wheel with a 12-27 or similar and a very aero wheel with an 11-23 - swap as necessary.

(I am obviously not really wealthy... I've not even got a second cassette.)
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Old 07-21-07, 02:54 PM
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Where do you live? How many hills do you ride and how big? You may do just fine with a standard crankset (53x39) instead of a compact. Compact gearing is great in hilly areas, but it does have its drawbacks.
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Old 07-21-07, 03:29 PM
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I live in Florida, so I run a 50x42 and 12-23. I never need more than that and can race P12 stuff no problem. The great thing is that I have every option I need and keep the block straight from 12-19.

I suppose if I lived in a mountainous area, I'd throw on the 34 that came with my crankset and spin up the side of a barn.

Good on you to use the aerobic engine with the rpms. Save the mashing for when things go south.

I have to laugh at the guys that need 53x11's, 'cause they "spin" out to often. hahahahahahahaha.... What are they doing? Turning in molasses?
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Some guys are strong riders, and gradual downhills can be spun out.

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I live in Florida, so I run a 50x42 and 12-23. I never need more than that and can race P12 stuff no problem. The great thing is that I have every option I need and keep the block straight from 12-19.

I suppose if I lived in a mountainous area, I'd throw on the 34 that came with my crankset and spin up the side of a barn.

Good on you to use the aerobic engine with the rpms. Save the mashing for when things go south.

I have to laugh at the guys that need 53x11's, 'cause they "spin" out to often. hahahahahahahaha.... What are they doing? Turning in molasses?
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Originally Posted by YMCA View Post
I have to laugh at the guys that need 53x11's, 'cause they "spin" out to often. hahahahahahahaha.... What are they doing? Turning in molasses?
In a TT with a downhill or a good tailwind I have no problem spinning out my 53x12 - likewise when in a quick peloton to zip forward.
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Originally Posted by YMCA View Post
I live in Florida, so I run a 50x42 and 12-23. I never need more than that and can race P12 stuff no problem. The great thing is that I have every option I need and keep the block straight from 12-19.

I suppose if I lived in a mountainous area, I'd throw on the 34 that came with my crankset and spin up the side of a barn.

Good on you to use the aerobic engine with the rpms. Save the mashing for when things go south.

I have to laugh at the guys that need 53x11's, 'cause they "spin" out to often. hahahahahahahaha.... What are they doing? Turning in molasses?

My preferred gear when in a break is bigger than a 53x14 and smaller than a 53x13...so 54x14 fills the void nicely. That, and it makes for less friction on the drive train.
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My preferred gear when in a break is bigger than a 53x14 and smaller than a 53x13...so 54x14 fills the void nicely. That, and it makes for less friction on the drive train.
You can feel 2 RPM? I sure can't, but I know you're way quicker than me.
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Originally Posted by Treefox View Post
In a TT with a downhill or a good tailwind I have no problem spinning out my 53x12 - likewise when in a quick peloton to zip forward.
No problem?
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Originally Posted by Treefox View Post
In a TT with a downhill or a good tailwind I have no problem spinning out my 53x12 - likewise when in a quick peloton to zip forward.

53x12 @ 130 rpms = 46 mph
53x11 @ 130 rpms = 50 mph

Anybody can spin 130 rpms down a hill and once you are going this fast, there is no need to pedal anymore anyway. So what do you guys consider spinning out? I mean for gosh sakes, it was only 15-20 years ago that a lot of guys were still using 52x13 as their top gears, including a number of pros.

The french call it "souplesse" and it's an art well learned.

btw- as a cat1 and former kermesse racer, the biggest gears I ever used were 50-53 x 12 and rarely needed them other than the fastest sprints.
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In a TT with a downhill or a good tailwind I have no problem spinning out my 53x12 - likewise when in a quick peloton to zip forward.
Your pelotons are moving at 50 mph? I've hit 50mph several times in my standard triple and my 12-25 cassette, and I've never actually spun out the 12t cog. At that speed, tucking like the following keeps me at that speed longer with a hell of alot less effort.



I've spun out my 13t cog at about 140 rpm I couldn't hold that cadence for long at all.
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I like to hit up a lot of hills near me. I run a 50/34 up front and a 12-25 at the back. Only time I run out of gear is on long straight downhill runs, but I consider spinning out to be 150-160+ rpms.
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Old 07-22-07, 03:35 AM
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In a fast group ride I live in the 48/15 area. Spinning up steep hills I drop down to my 22/34 before I start walking.
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Originally Posted by asmallsol View Post
Your pelotons are moving at 50 mph? I've hit 50mph several times in my standard triple and my 12-25 cassette, and I've never actually spun out the 12t cog. At that speed, tucking like the following keeps me at that speed longer with a hell of alot less effort.



I've spun out my 13t cog at about 140 rpm I couldn't hold that cadence for long at all.
Do that behind someone in a race and see how long you live.
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Run the closest gearing possible. A one tooth difference from the 19 or 20 cog to 12 cog(or smallest cog), and a 2 tooth difference above 20 cog.
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I'm a masher= I'm slow and plan on staying that way
I'm a spinner=I have no idea what to do with power if I have any.
I'm an endurance rider=I average 15 miles an hour
I'm a sprinter= I average 15 miles a ride
I'm a climber=I am a champion
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Eddy said something like "Just spin a big gear faster."
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