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Just a thought.... Disco/Slipstream related

Old 08-10-07, 08:41 AM
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Just a thought.... Disco/Slipstream related

Well since Disco is no more (I have a 'collectible' jersey if anybody wants) and since Levi is American any chance Slipstream might pursue him?
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Old 08-10-07, 08:44 AM
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What the hell is going on? The most successful cycling team of the past 10 years can't find a sponser? The riders should have no trouble getting new teams but this seems strange.
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Yea...I have a collectors jersey or 3 myself...one of them signed by Lance, Levi and Basso
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Originally Posted by yellowjeep View Post
Well since Disco is no more (I have a 'collectible' jersey if anybody wants) and since Levi is American any chance Slipstream might pursue him?
Signed quite a few big names (big names = big dollars), curiuous how much more $$ they have to go after high-profile riders.
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i really doubt slipstream has any more money for Levi. My guess is early retirement or Tinkoff!
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Originally Posted by gapowermike View Post
What the hell is going on? The most successful cycling team of the past 10 years can't find a sponser? The riders should have no trouble getting new teams but this seems strange.
As you guessed, there is a lot more going on than just the sponsor. I didn't buy the sponsorship story either because team presentations aren't until the late fall - they've still got months. And, T-Mobile renewed. Here are the real reasons that I suspect could have more to do with it.

- Tailwind is the company that owns the team. It survives on a network of investors (some of whom made their money in real estate lending - read the paper today?). If they want to get their money out, the game is over.

- Bruyneel and co. are done traveling. They are away from their families a lot. And, thanks to Versus, their images have been pimped up beyond all merit. They can write books, coach development teams and do appearances for money just a few k from home.

- Since 2001 governmental scrutiny on US companies that do business overseas has gone through the roof. Many businesses I consult to have had to take 20% gross haircuts to comply with this scrutiny. Tailwind is one. The currency has also made their investment buy less and less in Europe.

As for Levi, he'll be fine. I'm sure that many teams can't wait to hire him. It's the bottom quarter of Disco that are in trouble. They will probably have to leave the sport to become plumbers, cops, engineers and all manner of other things.
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Originally Posted by ri_us View Post
- Tailwind is the company that owns the team. It survives on a network of investors (some of whom made their money in real estate lending - read the paper today?). If they want to get their money out, the game is over.
This argument makes no sense. Tailwind Sports had to have some value. Certainly it had value if it could sign a new sponsor. If you want to cash in on your investment, you sell it. Ceasing to operate any value it had goes down the toilet and the investors lose all their investment.

Originally Posted by ri_us View Post
- Bruyneel and co. are done traveling. They are away from their families a lot. And, thanks to Versus, their images have been pimped up beyond all merit. They can write books, coach development teams and do appearances for money just a few k from home.
This would be a reason for Bruyneel to resign, but you hire a new DS.


If there is something more than just lack of sponorship, I think it would be that the people behind Tailwind Sports don't want to get mired in more drug controversies.

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Old 08-10-07, 09:21 AM
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This VeloNews article seems to dispell the "we couldn't find a sponsor" theory to at least some degree - although it still doesn't make complete sense to me.

And yes, I'd sure like to see Levi head to Slipstream. I'm looking forward to following them in '08!
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Originally Posted by ri_us View Post
As you guessed, there is a lot more going on than just the sponsor. I didn't buy the sponsorship story either because team presentations aren't until the late fall - they've still got months. And, T-Mobile renewed.
Companies usually firm up their advertising budgets (thats where this $$ comes from) by August of the previous year. Few firms will have $45 million unaccounted for at this point in the game. T-Mobile continuing to spend money they already allocated to cycling is not the same thing....at all.
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Originally Posted by Dubbayoo View Post
Companies usually firm up their advertising budgets (thats where this $$ comes from) by August of the previous year. Few firms will have $45 million unaccounted for at this point in the game. T-Mobile continuing to spend money they already allocated to cycling is not the same thing....at all.
That's right. I doubt Tailwind was still out there shopping around - they probably had their eggs in one or two baskets, and the deal(s) fell through. After the doping scandals at this year's Tour, I'd bet the potential sponsors wanted to negotiate a much lower price. It's too late to start shopping again, so Tailwind said, screw it.

T-Mobile continuing their sponsorship would be like Discovery deciding not to end their sponsorship, which happened back in February and had nothing to do with drug scandals.
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Old 08-10-07, 10:38 AM
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Screw Levi, Get Contador on Slipstream, SlipStream is a young team anyways and it already has some Americans on it, lock up the next superstar! Unless the "Men in Orange" try to swoop him or CSC who's in desperate need of a real stud for major tours.

Its a damn shame though, that group was so good together. Gusev and Popo. Man o man I'll miss it.
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Screw Levi, Get Contador on Slipstream, SlipStream is a young team anyways and it already has some Americans on it, lock up the next superstar! Unless the "Men in Orange" try to swoop him or CSC who's in desperate need of a real stud for major tours.

Its a damn shame though, that group was so good together. Gusev and Popo. Man o man I'll miss it.
I don't think Euskatel could afford Contador
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Old 08-10-07, 11:18 AM
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I wouldnt touch any of the disco rides with a 9 foot pole..
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its kind of sad, really. i was never a HUGE discovery fan... never bought a jersey... always looked a bit suspect at Lance... whatever.

but Discovery was just one of those teams that would ALWAYS be there. the sun would rise, the seasons would change, and Discovery would be fielding a team next year.

and now? the're gone.

its like reading one morning that Ford Motor Company closed its doors.

ten years from now, that Disco jersey will illicit the same response as wearing a System U jersey today.

"time keeps on slipping, slipping. slipping....



into the fuuuuuture......"
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I don't think Euskatel could afford Contador
Also, does Euskatel have any riders who aren't Basque? Isn't Contador Catalon?
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
This argument makes no sense. Tailwind Sports had to have some value. Certainly it had value if it could sign a new sponsor. If you want to cash in on your investment, you sell it. Ceasing to operate any value it had goes down the toilet and the investors lose all their investment.
I would guess that Tailwind is a limited partnership or limited liability company. These corporations can distribute all or most of their assets whenever they want. Most leave a cushion in place in case things get bad or investors want to get their money out en masse.

Because Tailwind was not the named entity its brand has no value. Because it does not produce anything, it has not inventory value either. It's not uncommon for companies like Tailwind to have just the value of the initial investment, and some operations cushion, in cash or equivalents.

Make sense?
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Originally Posted by Dubbayoo View Post
Companies usually firm up their advertising budgets (thats where this $$ comes from) by August of the previous year. Few firms will have $45 million unaccounted for at this point in the game. T-Mobile continuing to spend money they already allocated to cycling is not the same thing....at all.
True. But the few million Euros that it would cost is, for many large companies, coverable by budgets left up to the discretion of the marketing heads. Also, big companies can use money from other budgets to pay for special marketing plans at other points in the year too.

Who said $45 million?
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Originally Posted by gapowermike View Post
What the hell is going on? The most successful cycling team of the past 10 years can't find a sponser? The riders should have no trouble getting new teams but this seems strange.
Disco probably had a ridiculous payroll. Too many companies buttoning down the budgets. They were too good for their own good.

My employer had already announced termination of sponsorship too, and I imagine other 2nd-tier Disco sponsors had announced the same. They weren't just looking for another Discovery Channel, they needed one of each.
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True. But the few million Euros that it would cost is, for many large companies, coverable by budgets left up to the discretion of the marketing heads. Also, big companies can use money from other budgets to pay for special marketing plans at other points in the year too.

Who said $45 million?
Cyclingnews.com did.

The team was rumoured to be asking $45 million for three years - a difficult sell in the current climate of doping scandals in the sport.
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...g07/aug10news3
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Originally Posted by gapowermike View Post
What the hell is going on? The most successful cycling team of the past 10 years can't find a sponser? The riders should have no trouble getting new teams but this seems strange.

THEY
STOPPED
LOOKING
FOR
ONE!!




Not that they couldnt find one and in fact was pointed out a deal was imminent.
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Originally Posted by wfrogge View Post
THEY
STOPPED
LOOKING
FOR
ONE!!




Not that they couldnt find one and in fact was pointed out a deal was imminent.
Why do you believe this? It's not at all credible.
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20% gross haircuts
Huh?

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'Screw Levi'?

If anybody will get big $ it's the guy who won the Tour of California, took 3rd in the Tour de France, and has the squeakiest clean-never-doped rep of any rider of his generation. Don't worry about Levi. I'd guess if any rider is a hot commodity in the UCI today, it would be Levi the Free Agent.
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I disagree. Next year he'll be 34. I'm sure he'll be signed, if he wants to continue, but conventional logic says his best days are past.
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First of all, Team Slipstream is not going to touch a rider under a WADA investigation. Kind of defeats the entire PR benefit of touting your "Clean" team, no?

Secondly - this was Levi's chance. No one is going to pay serious money (the kind of money say Andy Schleck might get) for an aging 34 year-old who rode his best when on Team Disco, rife with rumors and anecdotal evidence that there was a co-ordinated doping program.
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