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Old 04-15-15, 09:12 AM
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Thanks I was in a racing line, but due to their braking into the corner, I tried not to touch my brakes (since this was my first bunch race, and everything I had read said *don't* touch your brakes in the final corner), so that took me out of that racing line and between the outer and middle lines slightly. That was clearly my mistake and I put myself in a risky situation (there's no denying that). What I'm learning here is that I could have saved myself by braking and getting back into the main line. The crash didn't actually happen in the corner: it happened right after the corner. I made it through the corner just fine (like I said: I'm fine with counter-steering and taking corners at speed).

But being in the risky spot that I was in, and that the guy to my left went wide and fell back a bit, he left a hole and I went for that hole as people were on the finishing straight gearing up for the sprint. But he hammered forward, didn't even look to his right, and took me out. So it wasn't a natural part of the turn per se (or maybe it was, what do I know?) when I went down. So it was an outside-in crash, not the usual inside-out crash.

But yeah: moral of the story: I need to get better at positioning myself in a major pace line for the final corner, staying in that line, and being willing to use my brakes to do so.

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Old 06-28-17, 05:55 PM
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I was thinking the exact same thing.
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Old 06-28-17, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by krumvis View Post
I was thinking the exact same thing.
I've been on pins and needles for two years waiting to hear that.
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Old 03-22-19, 07:16 AM
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I guess this belongs here. I went to a different hammer ride last night. Three of us (4/5's, 4/5's without a team) somehow made the "selection".

I've heard it over and over to ride with faster people to get better, that was the plan. I didn't feel it helpful to play backdoor for 1/2 the ride on the flats because us 4/5 lost a guy on the first hill "selection" and the much stronger two teams on the ride were controlling stuff with just the two of us left. Outnumbered, out gunned.

Didn't really feel I belonged. I could get up front with them and into it if the road went uphill for a bit. Not flats though.

Both of us were 4/5 guys who made a "big boy" selection. I didn't realize the A ride had a thing like that where those folks usually select ahead and the rest of A is just behind.

I got bored enough I half considered blowing up on purpose in the last 3 miles just to do something.

Suck it up and play backdoor OR eff it and drift back and hurt the 3/4/5 folks instead? I don't want to feel like I'm in the way of "their fun" by just being able to hang around. I'd probably do better or have more fun if there was a hill or two more as I'm skinny enough that'd be my chance to lead or do something. Just to be followed/reeled in 30 seconds.

Thoughts on the Cat 5 dragging on the coat-tails of the fast folks? I did NOT contest the sprint. I followed, but not having helped much if any just stayed put.
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Old 03-22-19, 08:43 AM
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This is confusing. Is that a group ride or a race? You are neither new nor is that a race it seems like. I would post that in Training Status.
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Old 03-30-19, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by burnthesheep View Post
I guess this belongs here. I went to a different hammer ride last night. Three of us (4/5's, 4/5's without a team) somehow made the "selection".

I've heard it over and over to ride with faster people to get better, that was the plan. I didn't feel it helpful to play backdoor for 1/2 the ride on the flats because us 4/5 lost a guy on the first hill "selection" and the much stronger two teams on the ride were controlling stuff with just the two of us left. Outnumbered, out gunned.

Didn't really feel I belonged. I could get up front with them and into it if the road went uphill for a bit. Not flats though.

Both of us were 4/5 guys who made a "big boy" selection. I didn't realize the A ride had a thing like that where those folks usually select ahead and the rest of A is just behind.

I got bored enough I half considered blowing up on purpose in the last 3 miles just to do something.

Suck it up and play backdoor OR eff it and drift back and hurt the 3/4/5 folks instead? I don't want to feel like I'm in the way of "their fun" by just being able to hang around. I'd probably do better or have more fun if there was a hill or two more as I'm skinny enough that'd be my chance to lead or do something. Just to be followed/reeled in 30 seconds.

Thoughts on the Cat 5 dragging on the coat-tails of the fast folks? I did NOT contest the sprint. I followed, but not having helped much if any just stayed put.
I don't really get some of your made-up terms. "Backdoor"? "Select ahead"?

Training is not racing. Training rides are not races. If you just wanted to sit on the back of a group, you'd be better off doing a solo workout. Attack, get brought back, get stuck in, attack again. Do stuff you wouldn't want to do in a race because it probably wouldn't work. Because a training ride is not a race. It's a workout. Go do workout stuff. Sprint. Jump early, attack late, whatever. Get in an actual workout. The idea of being outnumbered or a team controlling things is a weird thing to read about, honestly. Again, training ride. Attack or drill it or something that will actually force you to do something new.

The only one that cares about you being a cat 5 is you. You got to move past that. Shouldn't have anything to do with anything if you're riding safely and predictably.
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Old 04-01-19, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rubiksoval View Post
I don't really get some of your made-up terms. "Backdoor"? "Select ahead"?

Training is not racing. Training rides are not races. If you just wanted to sit on the back of a group, you'd be better off doing a solo workout. Attack, get brought back, get stuck in, attack again. Do stuff you wouldn't want to do in a race because it probably wouldn't work. Because a training ride is not a race. It's a workout. Go do workout stuff. Sprint. Jump early, attack late, whatever. Get in an actual workout. The idea of being outnumbered or a team controlling things is a weird thing to read about, honestly. Again, training ride. Attack or drill it or something that will actually force you to do something new.

The only one that cares about you being a cat 5 is you. You got to move past that. Shouldn't have anything to do with anything if you're riding safely and predictably.
this is truth. I'm always losing group rides, but the secret is I dgaf. I'm looking for a workout, and whether I'm sitting in to try and sprint or trying to stick a move from 5 minutes out from a sprint point, I'm doing it with intent to get better at whichever I'm choosing.
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Old 04-03-19, 11:21 AM
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I got to the source of my frustration in the Training Status topic with my final post on this subject over there.

At the end of the day, any disappointments over a workout or training ride format or losing a group ride or whatever didn't matter. What mattered was that people weren't respecting people's safety. And that pissed me off.

I wrote a bunch of drivel complaining about team tactics or some BS because I couldn't really put a finger on what it actually was. It takes me a while to get there.

Everyone deserves to make it home. You lead the group into oncoming traffic twice, and lead the group up the wrong way up a road divider to cut a corner faster............then I ain't got anything for you. The same stuff happened a year prior at the same ride. It didn't matter that much that time as a year ago I had gotten dropped with the other 2/3 of the crowd and then the problems stopped. I never made it with those folks last year to the wrong-way turn deal.

I'm not OK riding with folks on a group ride that'll run you up wrong-way traffic to shave 5 seconds off a turn.

End of story.
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Old 04-03-19, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by burnthesheep View Post
I got to the source of my frustration in the Training Status topic with my final post on this subject over there.

At the end of the day, any disappointments over a workout or training ride format or losing a group ride or whatever didn't matter. What mattered was that people weren't respecting people's safety. And that pissed me off.

I wrote a bunch of drivel complaining about team tactics or some BS because I couldn't really put a finger on what it actually was. It takes me a while to get there.

Everyone deserves to make it home. You lead the group into oncoming traffic twice, and lead the group up the wrong way up a road divider to cut a corner faster............then I ain't got anything for you. The same stuff happened a year prior at the same ride. It didn't matter that much that time as a year ago I had gotten dropped with the other 2/3 of the crowd and then the problems stopped. I never made it with those folks last year to the wrong-way turn deal.

I'm not OK riding with folks on a group ride that'll run you up wrong-way traffic to shave 5 seconds off a turn.

End of story.
That's a totally legitimate take and I am with you 100%. We have a local ride that bombs through a residential area during commute times and there are knuckleheads blowing through lights and divebombing blind corners. I did that ride once and never again.

(That said, it's really not a Training Status or New To Racing topic.)
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